From matt.mattarn@gmail.com Tue Aug 25 16:54:47 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f219.google.com ([209.85.217.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mg5qe-00089a-Sq for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:54:47 -0700 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so5866566gxk.0 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:54:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5zdum9PmQrsNhRNSvmlhXftB+YXYBTrqr1mCUScs5OY=; b=PGXMhfFHSk56ZyHQK23RIfzOHvPb1c5vYU66VujKvj7nogc47ckRFqY1f4Cjgk1o8a jnPofhEi4xnjQdEh4LDwto2EBRKeBM05T5LQM0J28g9yiMZPs03MAeP7pBTAjC3DrQMl 7/ekLtr0+0K0+1nEmHc00FSj/rqGdkqzAHTkA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Q4z3eMjPe8QPKxI5HBFZ3iBJDwkymIiIObUp+P1/N5f8dE8a69Db7orUEiZ+ZZEGOn oiUupOq3kzuZp1r46h+Ych0ua0xFkRsvPj5rCKZ/QG855RByUzEiX3mLHtfz3lD8c+VM R2LJlUWY8ONFxU2NZy0whH2e/uhcQdxAbOtIQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.237.10 with SMTP id k10mr11698555ybh.112.1251244478880; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:54:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A8BA8DD.7050206@cosmicray.co.uk> References: <20090816032146.GC21886@mercury.ccil.org> <4A896567.6040106@kli.org> <4A8BA8DD.7050206@cosmicray.co.uk> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:54:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [llg-members] Re: [cr@cosmicray.co.uk: [Fwd: Lojban Ideas]] From: Matt Arnold To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 745 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members The merit badge initiative has my full support. I would be happy to mass-produce extremely appealing badges, in embroidery and ceramic for various levels of achievement. I have experience with those materials. Then I would ship them to all who qualify just like I ship CLLs, with materials and equipment from the internet shipping company that I operate. The remaining volunteers that we need are those to write and administer the tests. Tests should be administered through Skype or Teamspeak. The applicant should be asked to translate one utterance at a time. After it is revealed, the tester should use a timer to award decreasing points. The length of time should be short enough that they have to do it faster than just looking up the answers. The LLG should nominate and empower individuals to write and administer tests. Those who accept the position would be given the title of catlu. What do you think of my proposal as stated here? -Eppcott On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:25 AM, CosmicRay wrote: > Mark E. Shoulson wrote: >> >> From: CosmicRay >> >>> >>> 3. Exams and qualifications >>> >> >> I can say from experience with the KLI's certification that this is a Good >> Idea, and we should have moved on it earlier.  Many people definitely feel >> motivated by the prospect of earning the rank and those little pins (we >> should also have some sort of badge; it really gives people something to >> strive for).  Arika wrote about that some in her book. >> >> (and generally, we should have some sort of Lojban or LLG badge.  I have a >> bunch of little 1-inch buttons I made on cafepress with the Lojban emblem on >> them, which are okay, but something enamel would be cooler.  It can also >> elicit questions from nosy people peering at your jacket) >> > >   I haven't seen the KLI badges, but I really like this idea a lot.  How > does that system work, are they part of the formal award given to every > successful candidate, or is it that passing a level of qualification gives > someone the "right" to wear particular insignia that happens to be available > from the same source? > >   Personally I prefer the latter but only because we'd want public > perception of Lojban qualifications to have the same prestige as for any > major language, and not risk it being seen as the language that comes with a > "free gift in every box". > >   Merchandising in general could be, if executed well so as not to be tacky, > a neat way to support the language and the LLG, what are the people here's > views on that?  How would we ensure merchandise is culturally neutral and > can appeal to people of all origins? > >> It might be worthwhile to contact d'Armond Speers about his Klingon >> certification tests; he really worked at making them standard and >> regularized, and also having multiple versions per level, so you aren't >> necessarily taking the same test each time when you fail. >> > >   Would you be able to follow up on making contact?  I'm in agreement, there > will need to be multiple versions per level and, at least annually, a review > of all exam material to ensure it's aligned with changes in Lojban. > >> >>> >>>  I propose a project to design one or more levels of qualification with >>> exams split into a few parts that can be conducted remotely such as: >>> >>> * Basic comprehension through timed multiple-choice exams, can be >>> completely automated via web >>> * Listening and written comprehension exams, with work submitted to a >>> human examiner via web >>> * Spoken exams, with a human examiner, via Skype >>> >> >> KLI exams are only given in person, I guess for additional security in >> proctoring or something. >> > >   I think this point needs to be debated; exams in person is definitely the > ideal scenario, but becomes a major stumbling block to globalising the > availability of the qualifications.  Perhaps only the lower levels can be > administered remotely, with candidates sitting higher levels having to > attend a local (perhaps by extending a version of the charter idea to cover > Lojban educational groups) LLG-licensed "chapter", for want of a better > word. > >> >>> >>>  Qualifications can be graded in much the same way as those for any other >>> language, with the highest levels of candidate being awarded diplomas and >>> lettering.  Exams must be paid for by the student or an accredited body, >>> adding credence and authority to the exam being sat, and adding to the LLG's >>> funds. >>> >> >> I'm tellin' ya, cheesy metal trinkets. >> > >   Works for me ;-) > > kozmikreis > > >