From phma@phma.optus.nu Wed Aug 26 05:01:32 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Wed, 26 Aug 2009 05:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MgHBv-0003WK-I7 for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 05:01:32 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090826120121252.JJGP6799@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:01:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24A03709 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:01:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: llg-members@lojban.org Subject: [llg-members] Re: [cr@cosmicray.co.uk: [Fwd: Lojban Ideas]] Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:01:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20090816032146.GC21886@mercury.ccil.org> <4A8BA8DD.7050206@cosmicray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908260801.18210.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 746 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members On Tuesday 25 August 2009 19:54:38 Matt Arnold wrote: > The merit badge initiative has my full support. I would be happy to > mass-produce extremely appealing badges, in embroidery and ceramic for > various levels of achievement. I have experience with those materials. > Then I would ship them to all who qualify just like I ship CLLs, with > materials and equipment from the internet shipping company that I > operate. Sounds good to me. Do we have a motion? > The remaining volunteers that we need are those to write and > administer the tests. Tests should be administered through Skype or > Teamspeak. The applicant should be asked to translate one utterance at > a time. After it is revealed, the tester should use a timer to award > decreasing points. The length of time should be short enough that they > have to do it faster than just looking up the answers. I don't have Skype or Teamspeak; I have a regular phone number on a VoIP line. There should also be a written test, or a written part of the test. One kind of test question I've seen on English tests is a sentence which may or may not have an error in it. For instance: lo _cipnrkuku_ cu _punji_ le ri _sodva_ le zdani be lo _drata_ cipni .i _no srera_ The written test should be taken in a room with no access to jbofi'e or the Internet. We have to have some way to honestly test the people who write tests. I suggest this: There are at least six cipfi'i. Each test question is invented by one cipfi'i and reviewed by two others, then placed in a pool. When someone takes a test, the administrator of the testing program makes a test consisting of less than half the questions. If the person being tested is a cipfi'i, the admin picks questions he hasn't seen. There could also be multiple versions of a question. For the one above, other versions are: lo _ciprkuku_ cu _punji_ le ri _sovda_ le zdani be lo _drata_ cipni .i _no srera_ lo _cipnrkuku_ cu _punli_ le ri _sovda_ le zdani be lo _drata_ cipni .i _no srera_ lo _cipnrkuku_ cu _punji_ le ri _sovda_ le zdani be lo _drata_ cipni .i _no srera_ > The LLG should nominate and empower individuals to write and > administer tests. Those who accept the position would be given the > title of catlu. What do you think of my proposal as stated here? To proctor a test, you don't have to know Lojban. Several months ago, I took the Certified Advanced Metrication Specialist test. There aren't huge numbers of people taking this test. The man who administers the program works at a Clark Nexsen office somewhere else. I took it at the Clark Nexsen office in Charlotte, and the proctor told me that it was the first time she'd even heard of the test. "catlu" sounds like too broad for this. How about "cipfi'i" and "cipku'i"? Pierre