From matt.mattarn@gmail.com Thu Aug 27 11:51:14 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f193.google.com ([209.85.212.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mgk40-0002sK-12 for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:51:14 -0700 Received: by vws31 with SMTP id 31so325843vws.28 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:51:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+HHQRtedhbrbutSqBVEwoYu3MlwhUoTeZavt0MmXwKo=; b=YpifX3fL9X15L+ReTZMLxYe0BhEi9UoiUiz+/SJnXW9U/9nJwcynErnhqQmC/OrGOQ UulF9JaWr5hqjoofOurKkhoYLiZiORLbSypNGNZzb5qUwKAsWFhNVxNeRxIti0jG3EkP uoYfGK2Lnml9CvhIfXhIr0QW36LRcd5rnpap8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t5UuFX0u8iTRP6j0upJ/uznepfk/RkHdnHHt7CSCUMRoVT90LbRAHf/Gt0DPT/ILpG vgU1mxa1QcK1ELABLWXLMX8YmQZbUHjruzlkLkc7WEoq9ozBed3gIAFJQKqNuNOssIX6 DrN3Dmx2LapAks9EnkDEJr/Ulz2+rgLUIBpms= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.238.15 with SMTP id l15mr360453ybh.197.1251399065824; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:51:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A96D3DA.5060607@lojban.org> References: <925d17560908261436r7364022dn735a98e5851cc7f9@mail.gmail.com> <200908270711.14068.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4A96BCF9.1020305@kli.org> <4A96D3DA.5060607@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:51:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [llg-members] Re: Motion: Lojban Certification Program From: Matt Arnold To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 767 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members I like this. So is the new committee going to have a separate mailing list, or scheduled IRC meetings... or, where will we work? I like the fact that Mark knows how to do this already. Let's get to work! -Matt On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > Mark E. Shoulson wrote: >> >> In-person tests are necessary to guard against use of reference materials, >> etc, > > Perhaps IRC administration of the test would partially guard against this - > the response should be timed (liberally to allow for slow typists) to make > it difficult to cheat. > > Perhaps the first level of testing would be low enough to allow for > open-book testing.  If someone can construct reasonably good Lojban > sentences with proper grammar and correct delimiters, it is less important > that they have enormous vocabulary.  It is hard to cheat on cmavo > vocabulary, even with an open-reference, if you do not have a basic > understanding of the grammar. > > IMNSHO: > The highest level of testing should require composing a couple of written > texts on some subject, of a minimum of X sentences, Y words, and making use > of grammatical constructs A, B, C, and D, all used correctly.  There should > also be a reading comprehension text of comparable difficulty (with the > several comprehension questions in Lojban, but worded substantially > differently from the source text), and requiring complete sentence > responses.  This is distinct from translation - the standard is whether the > response is grammatical and communicates the required information. > > The highest level test could also have an oral comprehension component, in > which the questions are in Lojban, and recorded, but the response is typed. >  This seems a lot easier than a spoken, face-to-face test protocol. > > lojbab > > >