From jjllambias@gmail.com Wed Sep 02 06:08:30 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f177.google.com ([209.85.210.177]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MipZb-0003rk-0b for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:08:29 -0700 Received: by yxe7 with SMTP id 7so1026360yxe.25 for ; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:08:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Emd+JAKyLcDr+ZJmHefMsbNnk9X/8gl4R3tDVdZ9yFM=; b=UI2ZBSrAfkHxQgOX0kGcGLRB9ETrFPp7/WFe7yzWiR69IyJtx0pvyPUVJxouKvTxjb ZxJE8b0vV5JReBVMuN/qceQeD3C5KVrZ5CknhQcBYK8mKVcuE8kbyUcG9OkDkgbcGpuU OPFfWbPdgSbr17zIOl79pnVWdrjfvuMIXtyi4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J60tvhUDO+uqZIDo17bsn5rYjD/RRC3aGYYSBrv893PbSeRkEY8rQ8vgHiBGwbk7EX zCNIp0HYYCE0EGPNFuzcjw/kXnF7aUq38CGdfW1L7YF7czmqL3hZcuMIusLUXgTmDRiZ 4waLnXaMlsAEIeCqViEYAKudn7yWIRjASgsjg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.82.13 with SMTP id j13mr6084460agl.112.1251896892216; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:08:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090902043043.GN32444@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20090902043043.GN32444@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:08:11 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560909020608t1188c8fem4773827ff5386acc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [llg-members] Re: Motion: Lojban Certification Program From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 804 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > I appreciate and respect and am happy that people want to put a > bunch of work into advancing the language, but This Is Not The Way. > We need to finish the BPFK.  We really really really need to finish > the BPFK.  Until then, we don't even know what the language *is*; > how can we certify people to it? I think issuing certificates for a first couple of proficiency levels would not be a problem at this stage. I would love for the BPFK to get something finished too, but I'm afraid that if we wait until that happens, we won't be doing anything at all for a very long time (as in for ever). It seems to me that without some reform in either its procedures or its goals, the BPFK just won't be able to produce anything. mu'o mi'e xorxes