From phma@phma.optus.nu Wed Sep 02 20:55:54 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mj3QN-0005cB-EH for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:55:54 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090903035544652.QPWU8566@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 03:55:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1454EDADA for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:55:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: llg-members@lojban.org Subject: [llg-members] Re: Motion: Lojban Certification Program Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:55:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200909020942.05109.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200909022355.40111.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 810 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members On Wednesday 02 September 2009 14:50:18 Matt Arnold wrote: > We already have a lot that we can test on. As Arika Okrent said of > Lojban in _In The Land of Invented Languages_ it is "specified to > within an inch of its life". Unless I have been misinformed for a long > time, BPFK concerns mostly rare and edge-case cmavo, all of which can > be left to the very advanced tests, which we should not offer until we > have some people who have passed level one at least. Our tests can > ignore whether a test applicant uses xorlo and the dot side. All of > this wiggle room leaves our certification, at least at the first > couple of levels, still useful, and valid even after the BPFK finishes > it's work. The BPFK is concerned with all cmavo, but the issues it needs to settle are edge cases and rare uses of them - "mi'i" in the complex plane, transfinite ordinals, and "ra'e" before "pi", for example. The only use I know of for "ra'e" before "pi" is in a p-adic number, but there may be others I'm not aware of. Pierre