From 3XVC6SwAAFLMehcUTg-TgghngVXfXgmlZhhZeXZkhnil.Vhf@groups.bounces.google.com Mon Apr 05 14:05:42 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3XVC6SwAAFLMehcUTg-TgghngVXfXgmlZhhZeXZkhnil.Vhf@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NytTI-0007MD-Sa; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:04:45 -0700 Received: by pvf33 with SMTP id 33sf838590pvf.16 for ; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:04:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:received:received :date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url :x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aRrCztdA64VjKObo6wdlMtPyrg9ulXYYWhm4RYLop1I=; b=D86wq/3lTxELg6CbWuENPc8FYshKA2Y/iP2axSsQx53TLLmLD5La1poACK0NYmqL5d 9NQ/10qJm3hgLChWEBJWk7UWrk56QT9ThQ49JOATFgtIjPaDfFn00finSj0/DD34U8iK aIxVDI5HQ36m6bfA2ccCyq/7atGHxwmAL7Sf4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mime-version:user-agent:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; b=HKLDCwN7LbE6kD4wtVIJpqD7DRzOLCksSW3k8+QO623oen+D6eeRcV1P1+mR79wiDZ QRNOT3Suq8zc6q9Suzr3Zx9vFyG/g6TOPt7qc1u1BAlih55bZPvJim0nvehYtUqp6QDK UixLkz6RAVdo1mc8MEZ6HXA41v1+D1vOdv3Xk= Received: by 10.141.125.16 with SMTP id c16mr330523rvn.18.1270501469940; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:04:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-announcements@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.255.17 with SMTP id c17ls1753287rvi.2.p; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.10 with SMTP id b10mr997826rvn.9.1270501468979; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.2 with SMTP id b2mr995610rvn.12.1270501349489; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.2 with SMTP id b2mr995609rvn.12.1270501349458; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si2722403pzk.10.2010.04.05.14.02.29; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.8; Received: (qmail 7630 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2010 21:02:29 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Apr 2010 21:02:28 -0000 Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NytRC-0007Af-FN for lojban-announcements@googlegroups.com; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:02:27 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NytRB-0007AJ-Cc for lojban-announce@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:02:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 14:02:25 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-announce@lojban.org Subject: [llg-members] [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. 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OK, been promising it for a while; here it is. http://teddyb.org/robin/tiki-index.php?page=Lojban%3A+You're+Doing+It+Wrong There are all *sorts* of finicky details we could discuss, but right now I and others would very much just like to get a sense of where the community stands on these sorts of issues, so, if we could *please* keep the discussion for now (1) on the main list and (2) agree/disagree answer to the following question, after you've read (as much as you wish to) of the essay: I would like Lojban to remain as close as it possibly can to its current state, regardless of whether I or a group of experienced Lojbanists see that improvements could be made. Agree or disagree? Thanks. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" 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