From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Sep 14 06:30:30 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Tue, 14 Sep 2010 06:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net ([68.230.240.48]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OvVac-0001VO-MO for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 06:30:30 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100914133021.KHOU24165.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:30:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([70.179.118.163]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 6dWL1f00A3Xcbvq02dWLlX; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:30:20 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=yC2qc2vQlv8sGZde8H6j+ptPXNXumo3F9UlhLmG4EBA= c=1 sm=1 a=3m76D9NmklYA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=giqLeSSIHs2Wd1FSsYQA:9 a=WsjAx_AqJm2Di1MgUbkA:7 a=G2lhTTOAtO0-D6r1pQ61sKv2-4wA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=dxBpO5_FDU0A:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Message-ID: <4C8F787E.9000101@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:28:30 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-members@lojban.org Subject: [llg-members] Re: 2010 Annual Meeting - Old Business References: <4C8C2009.7060606@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: <4C8C2009.7060606@lojban.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 939 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members Bob LeChevalier wrote: > I am now opening Old Business for discussion > > The Board election motion remains open for possible objection until > Monday night. > > There are a few possible Old Business topics, but in particular, the > Lojban Certification effort needs to be discussed. It was a major topic > of discussion at the last meeting, but the two identified leaders of the > effort apparently aren't doing so any more (and Matt has explicitly > removed himself from said leadership). > > Pierre briefly spoke up during reports and said that he was working on > something, but I am lacking context to really understand what he was > saying and where things stand. > > Bottom line for meeting purposes - > Are we still interested in this as an organization? > What are the objectives? > What is the priority and/or desired timeline to achieve those objectives? > Is anyone willing to assume leadership, and ideally to keep the rest of > us informed? > Other questions can be added to this list. > > Let's have a little discussion before any motions (if any are needed). There has been absolute silence. Perhaps this is because of active discussions on other lists. Or is it that no one is interested in Lojban Certification any longer? Or is nobody paying attention? I'm reluctant to initiate any other topics, not knowing why there is little response. So: ni'o I'm beginning to think that the email format for meetings just doesn't work. It gets the job done, more or less, but I get no sense that members really feel like they are participating in a meeting, rather than merely waiting till it is over. New Old Business topic (but the Lojban certification topic is still open). What would members think about returning to the IRC-based annual meetings we had for a few years, for future meetings? IRC sessions were intense and sometimes long, often inconvenient in time for some people outside the US, but there was a lot more active participation, and a sense that the members were in charge of the organization. It also allowed non-voting-members of the community to freely participate without playing with mailing list membership, which I think is a good thing. -- Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.