From matt.mattarn@gmail.com Mon Sep 20 16:37:12 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-members); Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.214.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oxpv1-0007Vt-37 for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:37:12 -0700 Received: by bwz1 with SMTP id 1so8327626bwz.40 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:37:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=D2mW1VuTvex0EAJl3H9yY6IrDrFcBotOaS3PmDuSG3g=; b=lRYE/VepFWXWQvfFZItW4GIOeMGc0eoUUS7o9MkTudUdOIy9/vUwXXTGCZ1TVznO4y Kj1++iTd2i6YTdEmjv3N5CrWIF+7Nyopv9qvSV6A743Rzyqv/mljjcqjiH9gTXnxCo+J joIiMeEid0K+Qpv2jlUm4JSjEHsTSePL+09Pk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xJ4mzdwBWM370p6aqWSAyGXlaNnjipphdVM8BPTrstLTc+c+8wfUodT26Sumjvz9Bt 4RQ1rEtdO3i6VxHZ+/dCAKa3f3xWfo2R+TvPdYJUEi6Us/V49Uv4VvHB5kRxUPafCJ3D xTPZ+B27eQ7a2cCvZ1PP9i6bu6Wm/BED6wRp8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.60.133 with SMTP id p5mr7250293bkh.71.1285025825335; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.60.130 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:37:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C97E04A.4030007@lojban.org> References: <4C8C2009.7060606@lojban.org> <4C8F787E.9000101@lojban.org> <4C97E04A.4030007@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [llg-members] Re: 2010 Annual Meeting - Old Business From: Matt Arnold To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 953 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-members-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-members@lojban.org X-list: llg-members if the alternative to hiring an independent contractor is continued failure, we should hire an independent contractor. -Matt On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > Bob LeChevalier wrote: >>> >>> Pierre briefly spoke up during reports and said that he was working on >>> something, but I am lacking context to really understand what he was saying >>> and where things stand. >>> >>> Bottom line for meeting purposes - >>> Are we still interested in this as an organization? >>> What are the objectives? >>> What is the priority and/or desired timeline to achieve those objectives? >>> Is anyone willing to assume leadership, and ideally to keep the rest of >>> us informed? >>> Other questions can be added to this list. >>> >>> Let's have a little discussion before any motions (if any are needed). >> >> There has been absolute silence.  Perhaps this is because of active >> discussions on other lists.  Or is it that no one is interested in Lojban >> Certification any longer? >> >> Or is nobody paying attention? > > There's been a little talk now on the subject, but I don't sense that there > is any interest among the membership in taking any action. > > I will ask that Pierre, or some other person make a note to themselves to > report to the membership sometime in the next few months, hopefully to > report some progress. > >> New Old Business topic (but the Lojban certification topic is still open). >> >> What would members think about returning to the IRC-based annual meetings >> we had for a few years, for future meetings?  IRC sessions were intense and >> sometimes long, often inconvenient in time for some people outside the US, >> but there was a lot more active participation, and a sense that the members >> were in charge of the organization.  It also allowed non-voting-members of >> the community to freely participate without playing with mailing list >> membership, which I think is a good thing. > > It seems clear that my feelings on this are not shared.  No motion has been > presented. > > There has been a suggestion that we try to put out an advance agenda.  I can > try to push this for next year.  And I may try a little harder to have a > real pre-meeting IRC session (which I intended to have this year) to discuss > the agenda.  (Bear in mind that I may not be President next year; the Board > has not yet met to elect officers, so this isn't a commitment.) > > ni'o > New Old Business topic: byfy > > What (if anything) can we do (or should we do) as an organization to help > this effort move along? > > Specific item:  Lindar has offered to work intensely on byfy for a period of > time in return for several hundred dollars to cover his rent for a month. > > Do we want to start paying people to do Lojban work, especially work that > other Lojbanists are (intermittently) working on, and not getting paid to > do? > > Neither Robin nor I knows the possible ramifications of "hiring" Lindar - > whether we would have to treat him as an employee and do withholding and > social security, and other legal stuff.  If anyone knows someone with > relevant expertise that they could ask, it would be much appreciated. > > -- > Bob LeChevalier    lojbab@lojban.org    www.lojban.org > President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. > > >