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So it turns out that there are strict rules, but they are not
transformations of the text.

I think it's actually easier to explain with (e.g.) {ta}.

{ta} is defined to be the thing at which you are pointing, so if I say {.i
ta mo}, you have to notice what I'm pointing at to figure out what I'm
asking about. If I ask {xu do nelci ta}, I'm asking you if you like the
thing I'm pointing at. Once I've identified it by pointing, it doesn't
matter where I point, because the thing I was referring to at the moment I
asked the question doesn't change. If you say {go'i}, all the same things
are still in the sentence, so even though you may have been pointing at
something else (or at nothing at all), it didn't change what you agreed to
liking. If, on the other hand, you say {go'i ta}, you're commenting that you
like some different thing, which you are identifying by pointing at, which
may happen to be the same thing I pointed to, but isn't necessarily.

Similarly, the word {mi} identifies a thing (namely the person or group of
people saying it) and {do} identifies a thing (the person or group of people
being addressed). Once you've said them, the words have performed their duty
and are no longer relevant, but the things they identify stay as part of the
meaning of the sentence.

If I ask {xu do nelci lo najnimre} (Do you like oranges?), anyone who says
{go'i} is repeating the meaning of the sentence, namely that "you", the
person to whom {do} referred at the time I said it, like oranges.

Does that help?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:38 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not going to work on the Bible. Too difficult for me yet.
> I just didn't find this word "parcatu" anywhere on the web. It's not in
> jbovlaste either.
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So it turns out that there are strict rules, but they are not transformatio=
ns of the text.<br><br>I think it&#39;s actually easier to explain with (e.=
g.) {ta}.<br><br>{ta} is defined to be the thing at which you are pointing,=
 so if I say {.i ta mo}, you have to notice what I&#39;m pointing at to fig=
ure out what I&#39;m asking about. If I ask {xu do nelci ta}, I&#39;m askin=
g you if you like the thing I&#39;m pointing at. Once I&#39;ve identified i=
t by pointing, it doesn&#39;t matter where I point, because the thing I was=
 referring to at the moment I asked the question doesn&#39;t change. If you=
 say {go&#39;i}, all the same things are still in the sentence, so even tho=
ugh you may have been pointing at something else (or at nothing at all), it=
 didn&#39;t change what you agreed to liking. If, on the other hand, you sa=
y {go&#39;i ta}, you&#39;re commenting that you like some different thing, =
which you are identifying by pointing at, which may happen to be the same t=
hing I pointed to, but isn&#39;t necessarily.<br>
<br>Similarly, the word {mi} identifies a thing (namely the person or group=
 of people saying it) and {do} identifies a thing (the person or group of p=
eople being addressed). Once you&#39;ve said them, the words have performed=
 their duty and are no longer relevant, but the things they identify stay a=
s part of the meaning of the sentence.<br>
<br>If I ask {xu do nelci lo najnimre} (Do you like oranges?), anyone who s=
ays {go&#39;i} is repeating the meaning of the sentence, namely that &quot;=
you&quot;, the person to whom {do} referred at the time I said it, like ora=
nges.<br>
<br>Does that help?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 =
at 2:38 AM, gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@=
gmail.com">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex;">
I&#39;m not going to work on the Bible. Too difficult for me yet.<div>I jus=
t didn&#39;t find this word &quot;parcatu&quot; anywhere on the web. It&#39=
;s not in jbovlaste either.</div><div class=3D"im">

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