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{ro roi} means always. The word before {roi} needs to be a number,
specifying "how many times".

{da voksa} translates pretty much to the phrase "=C5=D3=D4=D8 =C7=CF=CC=CF=
=D3", and in lojban
makes {voksa} the word expressing the main relationship in the sentence (in
lojban terms, {voksa} is the selbri). In the original, the main relationshi=
p
was that of {rinka} (or taken literally, {cargau}).

The current sentence:
.i da voksa ri'a du'i lonu vofli
ku lo trina pluta ku macri'a mi
doesn't parse successfully, because there are two selbri ({voksa} and
{macri'a}). Also, ri'a and du'i don't add together; it becomes something
more like {ro'a zo'e du'i lo nu volfi ku}

Neither {to'o} nor {noi} are sumti. {to'o} is a tense tag, so when it
precedes the selbri it means that the entire sentence (bridi) is in some
sense leaving somewhere; when it precedes a sumti, it means that the action
of the bridi is physically moving away from that sumti.

{noi} must follow a sumti, and whatever is in the {noi ... ku'o} must be a
bridi, and that bridi describes the sumti.

{cu} instead of {fe} would have been grammatically wrong; {cu} must come
immediately before the selbri.

{lo zu balvi} is a weird construction to me; it means "the thing which far
in the past or in the future was/will be a future". Maybe {lo darbalvi} is
better?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:35 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

> And I thought that "noi" wasn't attached to the previous sumti cuz sumti
> with embedded sumti should be expressed using "be .... be'o"
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{ro roi} means always. The word before {roi} needs to be a number, specifyi=
ng &quot;how many times&quot;.<br><br>{da voksa} translates pretty much to =
the phrase &quot;<span id=3D"result_box" class=3D"short_text" lang=3D"ru"><=
span class=3D"hps">=C5=D3=D4=D8</span> <span class=3D"hps">=C7=CF=CC=CF=D3&=
quot;</span></span>, and in lojban makes {voksa} the word expressing the ma=
in relationship in the sentence (in lojban terms, {voksa} is the selbri). I=
n the original, the main relationship was that of {rinka} (or taken literal=
ly, {cargau}).<br>
<br>The current sentence:<br><div style=3D"margin-left: 40px;"><div><span s=
tyle=3D"text-align:left"><div>.i da voksa ri&#39;a du&#39;i lonu vofli</div=
></span></div><div><span style=3D"text-align: left;"><div>ku lo trina pluta=
 ku macri&#39;a mi<br>
</div></span></div></div><div><span style=3D"text-align:left"><div>doesn&#3=
9;t parse successfully, because there are two selbri ({voksa} and {macri&#3=
9;a}). Also, ri&#39;a and du&#39;i don&#39;t add together; it becomes somet=
hing more like {ro&#39;a zo&#39;e du&#39;i lo nu volfi ku}<br>
<br>Neither {to&#39;o} nor {noi} are sumti. {to&#39;o} is a tense tag, so w=
hen it precedes the selbri it means that the entire sentence (bridi) is in =
some sense leaving somewhere; when it precedes a sumti, it means that the a=
ction of the bridi is physically moving away from that sumti.<br>
<br>{noi} must follow a sumti, and whatever is in the {noi ... ku&#39;o} mu=
st be a bridi, and that bridi describes the sumti.<br><br>{cu} instead of {=
fe} would have been grammatically wrong; {cu} must come immediately before =
the selbri.<br>
<br>{lo zu balvi} is a weird construction to me; it means &quot;the thing w=
hich far in the past or in the future was/will be a future&quot;. Maybe {lo=
 darbalvi} is better?<br></div></span></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:35 AM, gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
And I thought that &quot;noi&quot; wasn&#39;t attached to the previous sumt=
i cuz sumti with embedded sumti should be expressed using &quot;be .... be&=
#39;o&quot;=9A

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