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>
> In my translation the island is called "la .tcangas."
>
> .i doi .tcangas.
> blanu tsani vi
> .i doi .tcangas.
> cimni criso .ui
>
cimni crisa .ui

> .i doi .tcangas.
> gleki xabju ki
> .i doi .tcangas.
> mi'a sanga ti
>
{sanga ti} doesn't really make sense; {sanga dei} means " sing this song"
Conveniently, while the bare {ki} is grammatical, it's very unlikely to be
used, since you have no sticky tenses. {pei} makes the most sense of all th=
e
other 1-syllable words that rhyme with {dei} in {ki}'s place.

>
> .i ti daplu tai le gapru
>
I'd say {do} rather than {ti}, since you've been talking to the island
throughout the last verse.

> .i lo lifri ku ka zifre
>
This reads as "The experiencer is freedom." Probably not what you wanted to
say. Maybe {.i lo selfri ku ka zifre}? That say "The experience is freedom.=
"

> .i lo lifri ku ka zifre
> .i doi .tcangas.
>
> . i nu gleki lo ro vitke
> . i temcimni narge citka
>
This means something like "We eat eternal nuts." not "We eat nuts
eternally." Tanru group left. Consider saying {ro roi narge citka} and
filling the missing syllable with something.

> .i temcimni badna citka
>
As above

> .i doi .tcangas.
>
> .i doi .tcangas.
> xamgu stuzi .ua
> .i doi .tcangas.
> mi'a surla ca
> .i doi .tcangas.
> .i ko troci ti
>
This line doesn't make sense; the {ko} refers to the island and the {ti}
refers to something that the speaker is pointing at (or otherwise physicall=
y
indicating). Also, the second sumti of {troci} must be an event sumti, or
equivalently, a non-event sumti preceded by {tu'a}

> .i doi .tcangas.
> mi'a kelci vi
>

Could you post the whole translation of =D0=9F=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=80=D0=
=B0=D1=81=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B5 =D0=B4=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=BA=D0=BE so that I =
don't
look at wrong parts?

jbofanva's not dead; it's just resting. {zo'onai ku'i} I would like to see
more traffic there, but it seems everyone (including me) has more pressing
things to do than short translation projects.


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<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>In my trans=
lation the island is called &quot;la .tcangas.&quot;</div><div><div><br></d=
iv>
<div>.i doi .tcangas.</div><div>blanu tsani vi</div><div>.i doi .tcangas.</=
div><div>cimni criso .ui</div></div></blockquote><div>cimni crisa .ui <br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; =
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div>.i doi .tcangas.</div><div>gleki xabju ki</div><div>.i doi .tcang=
as.</div><div>mi&#39;a sanga ti</div></div></blockquote><div>{sanga ti} doe=
sn&#39;t really make sense; {sanga dei} means &quot; sing this song&quot;<b=
r>
Conveniently, while the bare {ki} is grammatical, it&#39;s very unlikely to=
 be used, since you have no sticky tenses. {pei} makes the most sense of al=
l the other 1-syllable words that rhyme with {dei} in {ki}&#39;s place.<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
 border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div><=
br></div><div>.i ti daplu tai le gapru</div></div></blockquote><div>I&#39;d=
 say {do} rather than {ti}, since you&#39;ve been talking to the island thr=
oughout the last verse. <br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
 border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>.=
i lo lifri ku ka zifre</div></div></blockquote><div>This reads as &quot;The=
 experiencer is freedom.&quot; Probably not what you wanted to say. Maybe {=
.i lo selfri ku ka zifre}? That say &quot;The experience is freedom.&quot;<=
br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
 border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>.=
i lo lifri ku ka zifre</div><div>.i doi .tcangas.</div><div><br></div><div>
. i nu gleki lo ro vitke</div><div>. i temcimni narge citka</div></div></bl=
ockquote><div>This means something like &quot;We eat eternal nuts.&quot; no=
t &quot;We eat nuts eternally.&quot; Tanru group left. Consider saying {ro =
roi narge citka} and filling the missing syllable with something.<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
 border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>.=
i temcimni badna citka</div></div></blockquote><div>As above <br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-le=
ft: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div>.i doi .tcangas.</div><div><br></div><div>.i doi .tcangas.</div><=
div>xamgu stuzi .ua</div><div>.i doi .tcangas.</div><div>mi&#39;a surla ca<=
/div><div>.i doi .tcangas.</div><div>.i ko troci ti</div></div></blockquote=
>
<div>This line doesn&#39;t make sense; the {ko} refers to the island and th=
e {ti} refers to something that the speaker is pointing at (or otherwise ph=
ysically indicating). Also, the second sumti of {troci} must be an event su=
mti, or equivalently, a non-event sumti preceded by {tu&#39;a}<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
 border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>.=
i doi .tcangas.</div><div>mi&#39;a kelci vi</div></div></blockquote><div><b=
r>
Could you post the whole translation of =D0=9F=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=80=D0=
=B0=D1=81=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B5 =D0=B4=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=BA=D0=BE so that I =
don&#39;t look at wrong parts?<br><br>jbofanva&#39;s not dead; it&#39;s jus=
t resting. {zo&#39;onai ku&#39;i} I would like to see more traffic there, b=
ut it seems everyone (including me) has more pressing things to do than sho=
rt translation projects.<br>
</div></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .arpis.<br><br>

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