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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Best methods to recall lojban words?
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On Sunday 09 October 2011 12:01:31 Sam wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> The biggest stumbling block for me is that I can't recall any lojban
> words. They seem meaningless and homogenous. I can speak basic
> spanish, german, and arabic, express myself freely in french, know
> basic phrases in japanese, chinese, serbian, latin, and quenya, and
> all of those have been by far easier to pick up than lojban.
>
> I've tried spaced-repetition software such as Anki, and less cool
> flashcards like Quizlet. The problem is I need context to give these
> words meaning. The IRC channel is silent. Using an operating system
> (like linux) in Lojban would let me learn most of the related
> operating system words and phrases. Watching programs in lojban would
> be enormously helpful, but there is no such thing.

Which channel? I'm on #lojban and #ckule, of which one has had conversation=
 in=20
the past few minutes. I'm "away", but my IRC program is up.

> I was wondering if anyone had suggestions about what worked for them
> in remembering this language which, while containing shadows in
> phonetic choice of the five most spoken languages, is kind of steep in
> learning curve.

I don't remember what worked for me learning Lojban, but for other language=
s I=20
learned in written form, reading a book which I also had in a language I kn=
ow=20
already works well. Try the Lojban translation of Alice or remod's kid book=
s.

Also try making sentences with words you recognize parts of. I speak Spanis=
h=20
and some Russian, so some Lojban words are obvious or easy to=20
remember: "vajni" is straight Russian, "vensa" is Russian with=20
metathesis, "midju" is pretty obvious from English, Spanish, and Russian (a=
ll=20
of which are cognates). "datka" is from English "duck", Spanish "pato" (and=
=20
its Arabic source), and Russian "=D1=83=D1=82=D0=BA=D0=B0". "gunse" is from=
 at least=20
English "goose", Spanish "ganso", and Russian "=D0=B3=D1=83=D1=81=D1=8C", w=
hich are related, and=20
go back to PIE, though some borrowing happened. So you can say "lo vensa cu=
=20
vajni lo datka .e lo gunse".

> I know a technique espoused by some educators is to give things a
> pneumonic, such as preti --> "[vous =C3=AAtes] pr=C3=AAt?" Which is a
> question... But this seems like heresy for the spirit of lojban.

That's "bredi", not "preti" (which is partly from Spanish "pregunta", but t=
hat=20
lacks a French cognate).

Another thing to try is memorizing commonly-used phrases like "ko frati le=
=20
fonxa". (Not that I use that one; I live alone.)

Pierre
--=20
Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.

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