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Hi Sam (do you happen to be "samrules"? if not, nevermind)

Am 09.10.2011 18:01, schrieb Sam:
> Hey all,
>
> The biggest stumbling block for me is that I can't recall any lojban
> words. They seem meaningless and homogenous. I can speak basic
> spanish, german, and arabic, express myself freely in french, know
> basic phrases in japanese, chinese, serbian, latin, and quenya, and
> all of those have been by far easier to pick up than lojban.
All the languages you listed are much more difficult than Lojban. I=20
believe the reason why you seem to have trouble picking up Lojban=20
(vocabulary) is that you don't use it. Language sticks much better when=20
there's a reason to use it and an environment to use it in. Once you had=20
to look up the word for "say/express" {cusku} for the fifth time or so,=20
you will start remembering some of it it and soon enough you won't have=20
to look it up anymore at all. The same happens with every other word,=20
too. Just give it some time.

> I've tried spaced-repetition software such as Anki, and less cool
> flashcards like Quizlet. The problem is I need context to give these
> words meaning. The IRC channel is silent.
First of all, the #lojban IRC channel is anything but silent. If you=20
expect people to answer within 10 seconds after you say something, don't=20
forget that many people in there also have jobs and private life.=20
However, usually there are at least some people who you can engage in a=20
conversation with. Again, don't give up that easily.

(Also btw, I like quizlet quite a bit. For what it's worth, I once=20
learned 200 gismu in 3 days with it.)

> I was wondering if anyone had suggestions about what worked for them
> in remembering this language which, while containing shadows in
> phonetic choice of the five most spoken languages, is kind of steep in
> learning curve.

The learning curve doesn't seem that steep to me. Our lessons in #ckule=20
(our teaching channel) have shown times and times that the majority of=20
the grammar can be taught and retained in as little as three days.


> I know a technique espoused by some educators is to give things a
> pneumonic, such as preti -->  "[vous =EAtes] pr=EAt?" Which is a
> question... But this seems like heresy for the spirit of lojban.
>
Personally, for words that have obvious cognates, I would easily=20
remember those, but I wouldn't try to come up with a mnemonic for every=20
word. Words will start to stick automatically once you use them enough=20
and once you had to understand them in conversations (your brain will=20
remember the word after a while because you don't want to have to look=20
it up for the 10th time). So I recommend you to stick it out in IRC.

Good luck.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o

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/bja "dZi:wan i kwa "ZwEja ta Z mu "karu/

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