Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:35117) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RE4qu-0002cs-4W; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:52:38 -0700 Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2sf486238qyk.16 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:52:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=RrZRawvjFxajYfRrmWL29MEeEpOqW4FISQNkCLZd2YA=; b=OK0tw4FUJjuoT4QJGLWVV8jBaWnwTYyHplhFkSfl811ZRJHvDWr8ys9Ye4i76nrben +dEtDJM+n1MFfbLktwsPnBrB44qSddrwp72maUCulNCrX4633lK60kX5LZsRVulNvR5r K//HBlkDZgTUidHCIB7Qft8mKcQgGFCDo1rsg= Received: by 10.224.188.135 with SMTP id da7mr198849qab.1.1318449133342; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:52:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.188.201 with SMTP id db9ls2633759qab.7.gmail; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.174.70 with SMTP id s6mr332163qaz.2.1318449132767; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.174.70 with SMTP id s6mr332162qaz.2.1318449132758; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com. [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j6si1703593qct.1.2011.10.12.12.52.11; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=F07b8ZsgLWZXGX8D4wUqVhnmZNKPLwOf2MHA3we2PYM= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=nrNzFEiSWQoA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=U8PIizP4OFtKLgMUm_kA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:47647] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4E/2F-14490-BEFE59E4; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:52:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70085216E3 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:52:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] {pau} without e.g. {ma} or {xu} Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:51:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201110121552.04137.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday 12 October 2011 15:41:52 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > I just found myself, in English, ending a sentence that started with "I > assume" with a question mark. > > I was asking a question, but I had no question words in the sentence. > > {xu mi sruma ko'a} would translate as "Do I assume {ko'a}?", which is not > what I meant. > > Is {pau mi sruma ko'a} grammatical (I expect so)? > Is it a horrible misuse of {pau} (I hope not)? > Would you understand it, and would it offend your lojbanic sensibilities? It is grammatical, and "pau" can be used without a question word, but I'd have to see the sentence in context to judge whether it's right. Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.