Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:35210) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RG8VV-0005Jb-9z; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:11:02 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf636220bka.16 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:10:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=q6Y2fLp14tCtRQHUm06wIddD1qwdHNAKIkelb4RDW5A=; b=q1EmjWL/v1TcPssTPOoQIUHLz+x9I0CWH4esw1o1fe7Xwo4MmjnIGZGKsUy9PQ/gGy 6wk7EInpStR0oASU/vC5N+AEO4z7GL1sRdFbRAfcnDWjYmHGNsa7hFDzpGIUyTCKLh1X OTa3jwLN8794PbXZF1Zz+ax8hqwm7RQZCjvCk= Received: by 10.223.62.204 with SMTP id y12mr393195fah.5.1318939837799; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:10:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.196 with SMTP id u4ls468740bks.3.gmail; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.155 with SMTP id x27mr271029bkw.7.1318939836610; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.155 with SMTP id x27mr271028bkw.7.1318939836586; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com (mail-bw0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n1si308001bkn.1.2011.10.18.05.10.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.41; Received: by mail-bw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id zu5so854337bkb.0 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.136.152 with SMTP id r24mr1616079bkt.5.1318939836295; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.81.73 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:10:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 08:10:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] {pau} without e.g. {ma} or {xu} From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c16446c28cf04af919cf9 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --0015174c16446c28cf04af919cf9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Actually, what you really want is "xu ___ ru'a". The sentence IS a question, but you are asking for confirmation on your assumptions. Such as "do du la'o gy. Dr. Livingston gy. xu ru'a" ("Dr. Livingston, I presume?") --gejyspa On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:43 PM, .arpis. wrote: > (Initially sent from the wrong email address). > > > I just found myself, in English, ending a sentence that started with "I > assume" with a question mark. > > I was asking a question, but I had no question words in the sentence. > > {xu mi sruma ko'a} would translate as "Do I assume {ko'a}?", which is not > what I meant. > > Is {pau mi sruma ko'a} grammatical (I expect so)? > Is it a horrible misuse of {pau} (I hope not)? > Would you understand it, and would it offend your lojbanic sensibilities? > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0015174c16446c28cf04af919cf9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 Actually, what you really want is "xu ___ ru= 'a".=A0 The sentence IS a question, but you are asking for confirm= ation on your assumptions.=A0 Such as "do=A0du la'o gy. Dr. Living= ston gy. xu ru'a" ("Dr. Livingston, I presume?")
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:43 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+= jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
(Initially sent from the wrong e= mail address).=20


I just found myself, in English, ending a se= ntence that started with "I assume" with a question mark.

= I was asking a question, but I had no question words in the sentence.

{xu mi sruma ko'a} would translate as "Do I assume {ko'a}?= ", which is not what I meant.

Is {pau mi sruma ko'a} gramma= tical (I expect so)?
Is it a horrible misuse of {pau} (I hope not)?
Would you understand it, and would it offend your lojbanic sensibilities?



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mu'o mi'e .arpis.=20


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