Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:48965) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RG8pQ-0005QK-NQ; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:31:41 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf666749bka.16 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:31:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=mChLnucBHZ1BoCZ5sH9Cbd3GLiGLVUS/ObxepRAlKuI=; b=aExMIqjU0S532M3eZrBigruTYfzWdTWBUvZChsi3S0NsB3zWH0O6zkb9jX9UA0MC1F Wwrb8/WIKLf2gnxFlE5PsDJzcVwpc+OPaX9JOLzs2tWCfgYghTZcXJk+jFQKOJoNztGo iv3S1gOr//npfd79gpiZuHphQMUNmXSPklcA0= Received: by 10.223.1.135 with SMTP id 7mr407322faf.0.1318941073139; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:31:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.196 with SMTP id u4ls486999bks.3.gmail; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.148.84 with SMTP id o20mr285529bkv.6.1318941070868; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.148.84 with SMTP id o20mr285528bkv.6.1318941070841; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f46.google.com (mail-bw0-f46.google.com [209.85.214.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a16si314850bku.3.2011.10.18.05.31.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.46; Received: by mail-bw0-f46.google.com with SMTP id zt19so964572bkb.33 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:31:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.13.68 with SMTP id b4mr1618517bka.96.1318941069957; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.81.73 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:31:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20111012225920.GP29295@sunflowerriver.org> <20111012234002.GQ29295@sunflowerriver.org> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 08:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "tu'o to toi" is this a bug in jbofihe? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151750d9d4f45bcf04af91e51d X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --00151750d9d4f45bcf04af91e51d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 mi ba'e norci'o bropre gi'e na'e ravboni .i ku'i mi ka'e la'a cu'i stidi su'o da First, you want "lo se du'u", not "lo du'u". retsku, like its brother cusku, wants a text, not a fact for what it states. Also , why use "sei fi la jbofi'e" retsku already has the questionee as part of it. So the sei is really unnecessary (although not incorrect, per se). Another stylistic point: I'd probably have had alyn say "na'i" instead of .ie nai, but that's just me. --gejyspa On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:10 PM, .arpis. wrote: > {.i lo tolci'o bropre noi ravboni ku te retsku lo du'u ma poi cmima mi'a > ku'o drani ku la .jbofi'e. ku joi la .camxes. > .i ry dafsku << lu do drani [sei fi la .jbofi'e. ku cusku] .i je do drani > [sei la .camxes. go'e] li'u >> > .i la .alyn.post. toltu'isku << lu .i .ie nai doi ravboni .i tolcu'i fa lo > nu ro re zo'e drani li'u >> > .i ry spuda lo go'i << lu .i ji'a ba'e do drani li'u >>} > > Corrections? Suggestions? > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:40 PM, .alyn.post. < > alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > >> camxes returns a valid parse: >> >> http://camxes.lojban.org/camxes/?text=tu%27o+to+toi >> >> So one of them is wrong. >> >> -Alan >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 05:08:42PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > I know that {to}* = ( and {toi}* = ). {tu'o} is "null operand (used >> in >> > unary mekso operations).", so I would assume the error is caused by >> > jbofi'e expecting sumti for tu'o to operate on, and getting to...toi >> > instead. >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM, .alyn.post. >> > <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: >> > >> > This statement gives me an error in jbofihe: >> > >> > *$ echo "tu'o to toi"|jbofihe >> > >> > I assume that the above is valid Lojban, and that jbofihe is in >> > error here: tu ... toi is in the free production, which should be >> > able to appear nearly anywhere. >> > >> > Yes? >> > >> > -Alan >> > -- >> > .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to >> > [2]lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > [3]lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > [4]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > >> > -- >> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> > >> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > >> > References >> > >> > Visible links >> > 1. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org >> > 2. mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >> > 3. mailto:lojban-beginners%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> > 4. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >> >> -- >> .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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mi ba'e norci'o bropre gi'e na'e ravb= oni .i ku'i mi ka'e la'a cu'i stidi su'o da
=A0
First, you want "lo se du'u", not "lo du'u"= ;.=A0 retsku, like its brother cusku, wants a text, not a fact for what it = states.=A0 Also , why use "sei fi la jbofi'e"=A0 retsku alrea= dy has the questionee as part of it.=A0 So the sei is really unnecessary (a= lthough not incorrect, per se).=A0 Another stylistic point:=A0 I'd prob= ably have had alyn say "na'i" instead of .ie nai, but that= 9;s just me.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:10 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+= jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
{.i lo tolci'o bropre noi ra= vboni ku te retsku lo du'u ma poi cmima mi'a ku'o drani ku la .= jbofi'e. ku joi la .camxes.
.i ry dafsku << lu do drani [sei fi la .jbofi'e. ku cusku] .i je = do drani [sei la .camxes. go'e] li'u >>
.i la .alyn.post. = toltu'isku << lu .i .ie nai doi ravboni .i tolcu'i fa lo nu r= o re zo'e drani li'u >>
.i ry spuda lo go'i << lu .i ji'a ba'e do drani li'u = >>}

Corrections? Suggestions?=20


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:40 PM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
camxes returns a valid parse:
=A0http://camxes.lojban.org/camxes/?text=3Dtu%27o+to+toi<= br>
So one of them is wrong.

-Alan

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 05= :08:42PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> =A0 =A0I know that {to}* =3D = ( and {toi}* =3D ). {tu'o} is "null operand (used in
> =A0 =A0unary mekso operations).", so I would assume the erro= r is caused by
> =A0 =A0jbofi'e expecting sumti for tu'o to o= perate on, and getting to...toi
> =A0 =A0instead.
>
> =A0= =A0On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM, .alyn.post.
> =A0 =A0<[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>
&= gt; =A0 =A0 =A0This statement gives me an error in jbofihe:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0*$ echo "tu'o to toi"|jbofihe
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0I assume that the above is valid Lojban, and t= hat jbofihe is in
> =A0 =A0 =A0error here: tu ... toi is in the free = production, which should be
> =A0 =A0 =A0able to appear nearly anywhe= re.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0Yes?
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0-Alan
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