Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:58453) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RHmku-0006gd-Pe; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:21:47 -0700 Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4sf5303825pzk.16 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:21:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=N0SPhsjMhHR3Y4KJZSeTOOVREVk5L7RI8o35DkVf8nQ=; b=vfOSSGKkFAAAPLt/BktzxbHMz1YAq2VjZW8L3FiBDEOaPMV4kOG0s+WAjGoNWg3cNB ct/7cnW0Y3wKc4TEEeIpAWezZPpfxdKeFi7Sw2O9JbE9QW0IjDZdBikQx96G8uo00p2m Roc/II5MdaZgVUHK/E29+bH0ZUh9Yq76n/cCo= Received: by 10.68.39.99 with SMTP id o3mr1744116pbk.6.1319332882762; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:21:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.14.72 with SMTP id n8ls5961458pbc.0.gmail; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.30.202 with SMTP id u10mr5243365pbh.1.1319332882171; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.30.202 with SMTP id u10mr5243364pbh.1.1319332882153; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f46.google.com (mail-pz0-f46.google.com [209.85.210.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l3si6766128pbd.0.2011.10.22.18.21.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.46; Received: by mail-pz0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 2so15262090pzk.5 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:21:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.31.131 with SMTP id a3mr38061523pbi.24.1319332881975; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.29.18 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:21:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201110180809.20219.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 21:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to say "face down" or "facing" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec520f1edc54b0004afed1f7e X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec520f1edc54b0004afed1f7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, but of course you are to the side of something (for example, you are to the side of the bed from the reference frame of a fly on the wall who i= s facing an adjacent wall). In fact you are to the side of infinitely many things. But since you are not specifying the selmla or the velmla, we really don't care what they are. We are merely extracting the termla as a useful way of specifying your orientation. (But I didn't mean for you to lose the lo ckana in the x2 of vreta. That should still be there -- "mi vreta lo ckana fi'o termla vo'e", for example). --gejyspa On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd w= rote: > you mean termla? mi vreta fi'o termla lo ckana (that would be something > like "I lie facing the bed to the side of something"?) > > > 2011/10/18 Michael Turniansky > >> Fair point! termla, of course. Thanks for the correction. >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Luke Bergen wrot= e: >> >>> the hell do locks have to do with anything? zo'o >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Michael Turniansky < >>> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I would think you would want "...fi'o telmla lo ckana [/lo loldi]" >>>> But maybe that's just me. >>>> --gejyspa >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Pierre Abbat wr= ote: >>>> >>>>> On Tuesday 18 October 2011 05:42:18 Sebastian Fr=F6jd wrote: >>>>> > I'm not proficient enough in lojban to help you with this one. I ju= st >>>>> > notice that in swedish you almost never say that you're lying face = up >>>>> or >>>>> > face down. Instead you say that you're "lying on [your] back" or >>>>> "lying on >>>>> > [your] belly". Perhaps that's easier to express in lojban. >>>>> >>>>> That would be "mi vreta fi le trixe" or "mi vreta fi le crane", but x= 3 >>>>> of "vreta" is not defined (x3 of "sanli" is, but not "zutse"). >>>>> >>>>> The directions "anterior" and "posterior" don't match the direction o= f >>>>> locomotion in humans the same way they do in most mammals. How is thi= s >>>>> expressed in Lojban? >>>>> >>>>> Pierre >>>>> -- >>>>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >>>>> J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.co= m >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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=A0 Yes, but of course you are to the side of something (f= or example, you are to the side of the bed from the reference frame of=A0 a= fly on the wall who is facing an adjacent wall).=A0 In fact you are to the= side of infinitely many things.=A0 But since you are not specifying the se= lmla or the velmla, we really don't care what they are.=A0 We are merel= y extracting the termla as a useful way of specifying your orientation. (Bu= t I didn't mean for you to lose the lo ckana in the x2 of vreta.=A0 Tha= t should still be there -- "mi vreta lo ckana fi'o termla vo'e= ", for example).

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

On Wed, Oct= 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
=
you mean termla? mi vreta fi'o termla lo ckana (that would be something= like "I lie facing the bed to the side of something"?)
=


2011/10/18 Micha= el Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
=A0 Fa= ir point!=A0 termla, of course.=A0 Thanks for the correction.


On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
the hell do locks have = to do with anything? zo'o=20


On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Michael Turnian= sky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 I would think you would want "...fi'o telmla lo ckana [/l= o loldi]"=A0 But maybe that's just me.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 18 October 2011 05:42:18 Sebastian Fr=F6jd wrote:
> I= 'm not proficient enough in lojban to help you with this one. I just> notice that in swedish you almost never say that you're lying fac= e up or
> face down. Instead you say that you're "lying on [your] back&= quot; or "lying on
> [your] belly". Perhaps that's easi= er to express in lojban.

That would be "mi vreta fi le tr= ixe" or "mi vreta fi le crane", but x3
of "vreta" is not defined (x3 of "sanli" is, but not &q= uot;zutse").

The directions "anterior" and "post= erior" don't match the direction of
locomotion in humans the sa= me way they do in most mammals. How is this
expressed in Lojban?

Pierre
--
When a = barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada,= j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada.

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