Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:33648) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RKUBp-0006nc-Aj; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:08:43 -0700 Received: by wye20 with SMTP id 20sf437047wye.16 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:08:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=v+rvpJAFJ8Ny9WJI5BxUhwLdeirw3zNnSIKECnvZXh0=; b=U32zKb0QOuYlwa8xOuof1dMqlevLXUQhMBjqY5XA0rVBPaSgh0uGf78lJ6Q5kaGX1m 5keH/JYbcCI1ojPWynwF4k5mK5BhquWtjqi6RqpBbJD20toxSVem5ZbcaREIwzy5a5Xu 9LhZjzHl/Hm1ugEpv+leGI46zb/z+kEyxAOrs= Received: by 10.216.136.159 with SMTP id w31mr451397wei.37.1319976497818; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:08:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.200.140 with SMTP id ew12ls12077479wbb.3.gmail; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.206.133 with SMTP id fu5mr412987wbb.3.1319976495610; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.206.133 with SMTP id fu5mr412986wbb.3.1319976495584; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k17si7889857wbo.1.2011.10.30.05.08.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.42; Received: by wwf22 with SMTP id 22so833450wwf.3 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.230.98 with SMTP id i76mr3252704weq.19.1319976495440; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.176.144 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:38:15 +1030 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] ".i xu kau" vs ".i kau" From: "David Gowers (kampu)" <00ai99@gmail.com> To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: 00ai99@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=00ai99@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d34a1f62aa04b082fa7f X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --00163646d34a1f62aa04b082fa7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In that case, what is being questioned is ambiguous. Probably it would mean "something to do with this bridi" rather than "the truth of this bridi". I only imagine this being of use if you enjoy being a {bebna kalmebykre}. On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:38 PM, tijlan wrote: > According to CLL13:13, "kau" > > "marks the word it is attached to as the focus of an indirect question". > > "The word" isn't specified to be one of the question words like "ma", > "xu", etc., which is consistent with the usage of other discursives > such as "pe'a" and "ki'a". ".i kau ..." would be as grammatical as ".i > ki'a ...". But neither the CLL nor the BPFK section seems to have an > example of ".i kau ...". The definition above, then, leads me to think > that ".i kau ..." would be one whole sentence being marked as what is > being indirectly questioned. How would that be different from ".i xu > kau ..."? > > mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00163646d34a1f62aa04b082fa7f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In that case, what is being questioned is ambiguous. Probably it would mean= "something to do with this bridi" rather than "the truth of= this bridi". I only imagine this being of use if you enjoy being a {b= ebna kalmebykre}.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:38 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.co= m> wrote:
According to CLL13:13, "kau"

=A0"marks the word it is attached to as the focus of an indirect ques= tion".

"The word" isn't specified to be one of the question words li= ke "ma",
"xu", etc., which is consistent with the usage of other discursiv= es
such as "pe'a" and "ki'a". ".i kau ...&quo= t; would be as grammatical as ".i
ki'a ...". But neither the CLL nor the BPFK section seems to have = an
example of ".i kau ...". The definition above, then, leads me to = think
that ".i kau ..." would be one whole sentence being marked as wha= t is
being indirectly questioned. How would that be different from ".i xu kau ..."?

mu'o

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