Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:57012) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RKkGI-0000Z1-LM; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:18:21 -0700 Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30sf8672525qyk.16 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:18:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=+ZhVLQducaqbuc1T2Myf8T82S0aE0cE9QlEbTCJdQmA=; b=X4moeebsAR8Hyqh0zdnh4aNNx/jfglcKp8FxBU+mA8NJJCfDGlpIPoefCP02e1u66p azaCsDQ9XnoAq57oIb+5AT3fPUGEU4fJuxcU6TvyejdPWomQ1E4m+KErO2GPSGlEo3Kt n7ViS0y633YHb77nMkbB2wGgMqxEBv0Kp3+38= Received: by 10.224.31.6 with SMTP id w6mr2728049qac.7.1320038280164; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:18:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.182.71 with SMTP id cb7ls11895348qab.4.gmail; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.52.193 with SMTP id j1mr18419155qag.8.1320038279673; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.52.193 with SMTP id j1mr18419153qag.8.1320038279666; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com. [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cn4si3323049vdb.3.2011.10.30.22.17.58; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=IgpUQdftngPYiFo35C+d15A7VOHB2YsNoON26nFqGQw= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=FLdF_PCZ7r0A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=I21L-ePjPrA9zicG1G4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:51597] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1E/73-12951-68F2EAE4; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 05:17:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4779324984 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 01:17:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] ".i xu kau" vs ".i kau" Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 01:17:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201110310117.42037.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sunday 30 October 2011 09:33:14 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 8:08 AM, tijlan wrote: > > The definition above, then, leads me to think > > that ".i kau ..." would be one whole sentence being marked as what is > > being indirectly questioned. How would that be different from ".i xu > > kau ..."? > > It has been suggested that "kau" should work like "pau", so that an > initial "kau" is a warning that an indirect question is coming (and > you don't need to mark the question word as indirect in that case): "mi djuno lo du'u kau ko'a gerku gi'i mlatu" makes sense. But if a sentence= =20 beginning ".i kau" is at top level, it can't be an indirect question. I=20 consider such sentences as ".i kau mi klama le zarci" as syntactically=20 correct but nonsense, like "te .u" or "du ra'o". Pierre --=20 Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.