Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:44554) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNRuK-0006zC-E7; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:19:00 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf4630759bka.16 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:18:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=tqvIKu2QoKrBZkH5vCxZCMr+gVXaxL+TSiqwNs2SDBU=; b=bCLhe6yz+fDM1bE/j2XCg698Xnj/ymEmXt2q0NEt8srrEQHEnceKumrj4c5OAQg2vU GZ4Ar+4cZ3QIqc76i/9DNyryynhpVvIAre79mwQjT/9d8FDmD1rbXghDzZgZ0TTwLTI7 pNyLD6z++HmGLYFG93CFeu0AQ9BpdwurtHnak= Received: by 10.205.130.136 with SMTP id hm8mr238056bkc.29.1320682713915; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:18:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.33.136 with SMTP id h8ls12742581bkd.0.gmail; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.0.73 with SMTP id 9mr1428496bka.4.1320682711888; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.0.73 with SMTP id 9mr1428494bka.4.1320682711857; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t21si3520285faf.0.2011.11.07.08.18.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.53; Received: by faan15 with SMTP id n15so2758965faa.40 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:18:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.102.173 with SMTP id fp13mr6917381lab.24.1320682711664; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.1.7 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:18:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <28766495.1817.1310280099392.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqyy3> <246b16f2-c892-4fd0-b329-96271b271bf1@k8g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <201108030757.27094.jezuch@interia.pl> <1320659787.1913.0.camel@fagricipni-desktop> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:18:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: "mi prami do" or "mi cu prami do" ? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040716c7e3c65204b1276727 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d040716c7e3c65204b1276727 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The best place to start is probably "Lojban for Beginners" http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html There's also a more recent instructional series that was put onto Google Wave, I don't know what happened to it when GW died. Was it ported to Google Docs? 2011/11/7 Paul Predkiewicz > Ah, thank you, very interesting. > There is so much to learn, i often don't know where to start... > > > > 2011/11/7 H. Felton : > > The first sentences of http://dag.github.com/cll/20/ give an > > explanation of that: > > > > The following paragraphs list all the selma'o of Lojban, > > with a brief explanation of what each one is about, and > > reference to the chapter number where each is explained > > more fully. As usual, all selma'o names are given in > > capital letters (with "h" serving as the capital of "'") > > and are the names of a representative cmavo, often the most > > important or the first in alphabetical order. > > > > In short, the cmavo are divided in to cmavo _types_; these > > types are named by capitalizing a chosen cmavo of that type. > > The LE type includes: le, lo, le'e, lo'e, le'i, lo'i, lei, loi. > > In _The_Complete_Lojban_Language_ > > ( http://dag.github.com/cll/ ); when a cmavo is described, the > > selma'o is given; eg, the very first part of > > http://dag.github.com/cll/6/2/ . > > > > The "ku"s are closing the "lo"s which are of selma'o "LE". > > > > On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 09:05 +0100, Paul Predkiewicz wrote: > >> Hi, > >> i'm not very new to lojban but don't find as much time to study it as > >> i would like to, which is probably why im wondering what you mean by > >> le; since there is no le in "lo nanmu ku prami lo ninmu". So what does > >> ku close? > >> > >> > >> > >> 2011/8/3 Krzysztof Sobolewski : > >> > Dnia =B6roda, 3 sierpnia 2011 o 07:38:56 Remo Dentato napisa=B3(a): > >> >> It is needed in {lo nanmu cu prami lo ninmu} because otherwise {lo > >> >> nanmu prami} would be a "masculine type of love"} > >> > > >> > Some would be quick to point out that it's not "needed" because you > can say {lo nanmu ku prami lo ninmu [ku]}, properly closing all your LE := ) > >> > -- > >> > Ecce Jezuch > >> > "Sick of my life. I'm tired of everything > >> > In my life. I never wanted to be sick > >> > Of my life. I'm tired of everything in my life." - S. Erna > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > Znajdz samochod idealny dla siebie! > >> > Szukaj >> http://linkint.pl/f2a0a > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --f46d040716c7e3c65204b1276727 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The best place to start is probably "Lojban for Beginners" ht= tp://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html
There's also a more recent instructional series that was put onto Googl= e Wave, I don't know what happened to it when GW died. Was it ported to= Google Docs?

2011/11/7 Paul Predkiewicz = <paul.pr= edkiewicz@gmail.com>
Ah, thank you, very interesting.
There is so much to learn, i often don't know where to start...



2011/11/7 H. Felton <lojban7= 07@fagricipni.com>:
> The first sentences of http://dag.github.com/cll/20= / give an
> explanation of that:
>
> =A0 =A0The following paragraphs list all the selma'o of Lojban, > =A0 =A0with a brief explanation of what each one is about, and
> =A0 =A0reference to the chapter number where each is explained
> =A0 =A0more fully. As usual, all selma'o names are given in
> =A0 =A0capital letters (with "h" serving as the capital of &= quot;'")
> =A0 =A0and are the names of a representative cmavo, often the most
> =A0 =A0important or the first in alphabetical order.
>
> In short, the cmavo are divided in to cmavo _types_; these
> types are named by capitalizing a chosen cmavo of that type.
> The LE type includes: le, lo, le'e, lo'e, le'i, lo'i, = lei, loi.
> In _The_Complete_Lojban_Language_
> ( http://dag.= github.com/cll/ ); when a cmavo is described, the
> selma'o is given; eg, the very first part of
> http://da= g.github.com/cll/6/2/ .
>
> The "ku"s are closing the "lo"s which are of selma= 'o "LE".
>
> On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 09:05 +0100, Paul Predkiewicz wrote:
>> Hi,
>> i'm not very new to lojban but don't find as much time to = study it as
>> i would like to, which is probably why im wondering what you mean = by
>> le; since there is no le in "lo nanmu ku prami lo ninmu"= . So what does
>> ku close?
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/8/3 Krzysztof Sobolewski <jezuch@interia.pl>:
>> > Dnia =B6roda, 3 sierpnia 2011 o 07:38:56 Remo Dentato napisa= =B3(a):
>> >> It is needed in {lo nanmu cu prami lo ninmu} because othe= rwise {lo
>> >> nanmu prami} would be a "masculine type of love"= ;}
>> >
>> > Some would be quick to point out that it's not "need= ed" because you can say {lo nanmu ku prami lo ninmu [ku]}, properly cl= osing all your LE :)
>> > --
>> > Ecce Jezuch
>> > "Sick of my life. I'm tired of everything
>> > In my life. I never wanted to be sick
>> > Of my life. I'm tired of everything in my life." - S= . Erna
>> >
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------= ---
>> > Znajdz samochod idealny dla siebie!
>> > Szukaj >> http://linkint.pl/f2a0a
>> >
>> > --
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>> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubs= cribe@googlegroups.com.
>> > For more options, visit this group at http://group= s.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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