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lo mi gerku is shorthand for lo gerku pe mi

Don't ask me why, I didn't make it up.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:14 AM, najrut <ruler11post@gmail.com> wrote:

> This makes things even more strange.
> Now tell me what is the difference between
> "lo mi gerku cu xamgu" and "lo me mi gerku cu xamgu" ?
> The first one is translated as
> "lo any/some mi gerku dog(s) [of] I, me)2 cu is/does =AB3xamgu being
> good=BB3]1"
> and the second one as
> "lo any/some (3me amongst those that are mi I, me [type-of] gerku
> dog(s))3)2 cu is/does =AB4xamgu being good=BB4]1"
>
> Yes, "lo mi gerku" meaning "my dog" is quite handy, but why it breaks the
> logic of anything learnt before ?
> mi gerku means "I'm a dog" and when it is used as a sumti in the phrase
> <lo mi gerku cu xamgu>
> it must mean <"I'm a dog" is good> whatever that means.
>
> "me mi gerku" (my dog) has much more sense as it clear resembles "prenu
> gerku" (person's dog).
>
> I feel that the "rule" of transforming "I am" into "mine" when adding "lo=
"
> is absolutely alien to other lojbanic rules.
>
> On Thursday, August 4, 2011 6:10:49 PM UTC+4, Kevin Reid wrote:
> On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:47, najrut wrote:
>
>> > But ... is it anyway possible to form tanru with pro-sumti included ?
>>
>> It is possible as Jorge Llamb=EDas explained, with "me <sumti>" which is=
 a
>> conversion to the selbri "x1 is <sumti>".
>>
>>   dei         me mi    notci
>>   This [is a] Kevinish message.
>>
>> --
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>>
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lo mi gerku is shorthand for lo gerku pe mi<br><br>Don&#39;t ask me why, I =
didn&#39;t make it up.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 8, 201=
1 at 9:14 AM, najrut <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ruler11post@gm=
ail.com">ruler11post@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">This makes things even more strange.<div>No=
w tell me what is the difference between</div><div>&quot;lo mi gerku cu xam=
gu&quot; and &quot;lo me mi gerku cu xamgu&quot; ?<br>
The first one is translated as<br>&quot;lo any/some mi gerku dog(s) [of] I,=
 me)2 cu is/does =AB3xamgu being good=BB3]1&quot;</div><div>and the second =
one as<br>&quot;lo any/some (3me amongst those that are mi I, me [type-of] =
gerku dog(s))3)2 cu is/does =AB4xamgu being good=BB4]1&quot;<br>
<br>Yes, &quot;lo mi gerku&quot; meaning &quot;my dog&quot; is quite handy,=
 but why it breaks the logic of anything learnt before ?</div><div>mi gerku=
 means &quot;I&#39;m a dog&quot; and when it is used as a sumti in the phra=
se</div>
<div>&lt;lo mi gerku cu xamgu&gt;=A0<br></div><div>it must mean &lt;&quot;I=
&#39;m a dog&quot; is good&gt; whatever that means.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>&quot;me mi gerku&quot; (my dog) has much more sense as it clear resemble=
s &quot;prenu gerku&quot; (person&#39;s dog).</div>
<div><br></div><div>I feel that the &quot;rule&quot; of transforming &quot;=
I am&quot; into &quot;mine&quot; when adding &quot;lo&quot; is absolutely a=
lien to other lojbanic rules.</div><div class=3D"im"><div><br>On Thursday, =
August 4, 2011 6:10:49 PM UTC+4, Kevin Reid wrote:<br>
On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:47, najrut wrote:</div><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><p>&gt; But ... is it anyway possible to form tanru with pro-=
sumti included ?</p>
<p>It is possible as Jorge Llamb=EDas explained, with &quot;me &lt;sumti&gt=
;&quot; which is a conversion to the selbri &quot;x1 is &lt;sumti&gt;&quot;=
.</p><p>=A0 dei =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 me mi =A0 =A0notci<br>=A0 This [is a] Kevin=
ish message. =A0</p>
<p>-- <br>Kevin Reid =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0&lt;<a href=3D"http://switchb.org/kpreid/" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://switchb.org/kpreid/</a>&gt;</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><=
/blockquote></div>

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