Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:39274) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RPBoL-0003E8-Rx; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:31:51 -0800 Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14sf2856207vcb.16 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:31:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ufl2zkAhHUwxosgAPVq6cX5mgYHRL4GK3WM8IVbuxvk=; b=cPjryQcwX87xz1bxxvf8vLj7B+wHDWKs0ZrX2yOkkyR6ewd22MhLfsYRBNMQ05lKtY zAuumuI3yTEjBtpilU7vzM2bryA9EkuaoJzE9fWALzeDxZXEcIcJDqf4wZI8d2KwOF/F 9uXePJiTaZpYEZGtxAtR6rHlHZZPrAG+PrniM= Received: by 10.52.188.99 with SMTP id fz3mr2649370vdc.19.1321097496787; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:31:36 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.239.19 with SMTP id ku19ls2330540vcb.4.canary; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:31:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.34.144 with SMTP id z16mr2665571vdi.18.1321097496176; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by m10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:31:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:31:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201110180809.20219.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101206 Ubuntu/10.10 (maverick) Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How to say "face down" or "facing" From: jongausib To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / This is above my level of lojban I think, but couldn't we try to make more exact anatomical definitions of directions and positions (especially of the human body)? Such definitions would be very useful as parts of tanru/lujvo. I'm really interested in the movements of human bodies, and I really enjoy watching parkour, skateboarding, gymnastics, martial arts, yoga, dancing etc etc. Of course you could just borrow words from each discipline (fu'ivla) when you need to describe a special type of movement/trick, but I also think that lojban has the potential of creating a more universal language of movements. At least such lujvos would be very useful to describe common positions/movements like squatting, kneeling, lying face down/up, but also perhaps to describe more complex movements like different kind of cartwheels, volts, rotations, somersaults, ollie, kong, lotus position, martial techniques etc etc etc. The starting-point could be : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomical_terms_of_location#Directional_terms= . ok, you may think I'm too ambitious and that it's better to leave everything vague than to be too normative, but if everything is left vague you'll never be able to be precise when you want to. And I would really appreciate if you with better skills than me could translate the anatomical concepts in the wikipedia article (linked above) into lojban. /a'o. ki'ecai mi'e jongausib On 23 Okt, 02:21, Michael Turniansky wrote: > =A0 Yes, but of course you are to the side of something (for example, you= are > to the side of the bed from the reference frame of =A0a fly on the wall w= ho is > facing an adjacent wall). =A0In fact you are to the side of infinitely ma= ny > things. =A0But since you are not specifying the selmla or the velmla, we > really don't care what they are. =A0We are merely extracting the termla a= s a > useful way of specifying your orientation. (But I didn't mean for you to > lose the lo ckana in the x2 of vreta. =A0That should still be there -- "m= i > vreta lo ckana fi'o termla vo'e", for example). > > =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd wrote: > > > you mean termla? mi vreta fi'o termla lo ckana (that would be something > > like "I lie facing the bed to the side of something"?) > > > 2011/10/18 Michael Turniansky > > >> =A0 Fair point! =A0termla, of course. =A0Thanks for the correction. > > >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Luke Bergen wr= ote: > > >>> the hell do locks have to do with anything? zo'o > > >>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Michael Turniansky < > >>> mturnian...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> =A0 =A0I would think you would want "...fi'o telmla lo ckana [/lo lo= ldi]" > >>>> But maybe that's just me. > >>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa > > >>>> =A0 On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > >>>>> On Tuesday 18 October 2011 05:42:18 Sebastian Fr=F6jd wrote: > >>>>> > I'm not proficient enough in lojban to help you with this one. I = just > >>>>> > notice that in swedish you almost never say that you're lying fac= e up > >>>>> or > >>>>> > face down. Instead you say that you're "lying on [your] back" or > >>>>> "lying on > >>>>> > [your] belly". Perhaps that's easier to express in lojban. > > >>>>> That would be "mi vreta fi le trixe" or "mi vreta fi le crane", but= x3 > >>>>> of "vreta" is not defined (x3 of "sanli" is, but not "zutse"). > > >>>>> The directions "anterior" and "posterior" don't match the direction= of > >>>>> locomotion in humans the same way they do in most mammals. How is t= his > >>>>> expressed in Lojban? > > >>>>> Pierre > >>>>> -- > >>>>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. > >>>>> J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. > > >>>>> -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.= com > >>>>> . > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > >>>> =A0 -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.c= om. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gr= oups > >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.co= m. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > >> =A0-- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups > >> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > =A0-- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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