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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I want an apple
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I guess my idea what to write change in the time of writing. This
sometimes produces weird results.

On Nov 30, 12:55=A0pm, MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:48 PM, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think it's because in natural languages "I want an apple" is a
> > mental abbreviation. Lojban tries to deal with implicit things like
> > that. As you quoted, wanting an object is wanting to possess or do
> > something else with an object. So it's more logical definition to
> > define {djica} in one way instead of making it ambiguous.
> > You have to
> > simple ways to overcome it:
>
> Hunh? What does this mean? Is the first "to" just a typo?
>
> > {mi jai djica lo plise}, {mi ctidji lo
> > plise}, {mi djica tu'a lo plise}, {mi djica lo nu citka lo plise} or
> > even {mi plisyctidji} :)
>
> > mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> stevo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 29, 11:19 pm, MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Someone (David Gowers?) recently (Aug. 17, 2011?) wrote:
>
> > > "You have an object in troci x2, but troci x2 is an abstraction. This=
 is
> > > the same problem as with {mi djica lo plise} -- you don't desire an
> > apple,
> > > you desire to possess an apple, or eat an apple... This is known as s=
umti
> > > raising. You need to put an abstraction in x2, then you will not be
> > > sumti-raising -- and will make sense, besides."
>
> > > I've wondered about this before. Why is wanting an object called
> > > sumti-raising? Why must the object (x2?) of {djica} be an abstraction=
? Is
> > > it simply because that's how the word was defined? If so, why was it
> > > defined that way?
>
> > > stevo
>
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