Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:57797) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RY6bO-0005p1-CI; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:47:20 -0800 Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3sf32637ggn.16 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:47:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fHSxMqOI2TUR/3fboimI/GIeRYTqZ3szEZ3cJy77WMU=; b=3LUiYEZ9mmOI94w8rRgqU/cCUHf/MBuf3b1hBDh227GFU8LXO5kYKgomDnLSRsUNGS B9dfDUEUvDDaCs4PH++NvL8lbAZuh2ZDPtprPTy//8vPgemWHlASOjQjnT1ulLAD+6Xn KZFlXjFnZd/ud/wB8IR4S6HFdUQVtA0OjipBo= Received: by 10.236.185.106 with SMTP id t70mr5572440yhm.15.1323222427247; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.47.39 with SMTP id u39ls613701ybu.0.gmail; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.123.11 with SMTP id u11mr50245274yhh.3.1323222426489; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.123.11 with SMTP id u11mr50245273yhh.3.1323222426473; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v43si27872yhm.5.2011.12.06.17.47.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.172; Received: by mail-gx0-f172.google.com with SMTP id k5so84148ggn.17 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:47:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.48.98 with SMTP id k2mr2591066obn.34.1323222426342; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:47:06 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.43.104 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:47:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 20:47:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Even" in lojban From: ".arpis." To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04478977ae53c904b376ba12 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04478977ae53c904b376ba12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So how would we differentiate between "I wouldn't do that." (with no weird intonational hints) and "Even I wouldn't do that." {mi na da'i gasnu ra} vs ... ? The lion thing was a bad example (to try to show in lojban; I think it was fine for getting across what I meant by "even") because the interesting meaning is split between "so" and "even" On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > My first thought was something like {do xlali se panci fi'o se banzu lo nu > da'i lo cinfo cu na nelci lo nu citka do}. Come to think of it I'm kind of > surprised that {banzu} doesn't get a bai cmavo. > > Or maybe {ja'e} would be better. {do xlali se panci ja'e lo nu da'i lo > cinfo cu na nelci lo nu citka do}. > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:39 PM, .arpis. wrote: > >> In the sense of "You smell so bad, even a starving lion wouldn't eat you." >> >> vlasisku says: >> do'anai in sense >> "implying an extreme example" >> >> but I don't really understand {do'a} and {do'anai}, so I figured I'd ask >> here. >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .arpis. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d04478977ae53c904b376ba12 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So how would we differentiate between "I wouldn't do that." (= with no weird intonational hints) and "Even I wouldn't do that.&qu= ot;

{mi na da'i gasnu ra} vs ... ?

The lion thing was a b= ad example (to try to show in lojban; I think it was fine for getting acros= s what I meant by "even") because the interesting meaning is spli= t between "so" and "even"

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Luke Bergen = <lukeabergen@= gmail.com> wrote:
My first thought was something like {do xlali se panci fi'o se banzu lo= nu da'i lo cinfo cu na nelci lo nu citka do}. =A0Come to think of it I= 'm kind of surprised that {banzu} doesn't get a bai cmavo.

Or maybe {ja'e} would be better. =A0{do xlali se panci ja= 9;e lo nu da'i lo cinfo cu na nelci lo nu citka do}.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7= :39 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wr= ote:
In the sense of "You smell so bad, even a starving lion wouldn't= eat you."

vlasisku says:
do'anai in sense "implying an extreme example"

but I don't really understand {do'a} and {do'= anai}, so I figured I'd ask here.


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