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Okay, that's utter bullshit. Whether a sentence parses has nothing to do
with its truth value. The grammar doesn't care about the content. "Lojban
is based on logic" != "Lojban can't be used to say false or illogical
things".

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you go to the lojban site you will find a couple of discussions on
> curses, and swearing. Since the language is based on creating logically
> verifiable statements, most curses simply do *not* parse, at least not IN
> lojban. The closest you may come is *do bebna* (you are a fool) though
> that does not fulfill the emotional catharsis of calling somebody a
> "fucking retard" even if it is logically equivalent.
>
> mi'e brais
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Anton Golov <kdesevis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 17 December 2011 16:55, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I don't believe a word of that. Especially the part about "intellectual
>> > exercise".
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This has been revisited from time-to-time and the outcome is always
>> that
>> >> curses and such are deeply invested in cultural context. As such a
>> language
>> >> that is designed to be culturally neutral does not provide curses
>> outside of
>> >> the cultural context of the particular user. For anyone is raised with
>> >> lojban as their primary language, the concept of cursing, and
>> expletives
>> >> will likely be an intellectual exercise, rather than an emotional
>> outburst.
>> >>
>> >> mi'e brais
>> >>
>>
>> It seems more likely that if people were raised with Lojban as their
>> primary language, they would develop a vocabulary of curses and
>> euphemisms of their own.
>>
>> mi'e jesyspa
>>
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Okay, that&#39;s utter bullshit. Whether a sentence parses has nothing to d=
o with its truth value. The grammar doesn&#39;t care about the content. &qu=
ot;Lojban is based on logic&quot; !=3D &quot;Lojban can&#39;t be used to sa=
y false or illogical things&quot;.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Lee Carlson=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lorddraqo@gmail.com">lorddraqo@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<font face=3D"comic sans ms,sans-serif">If you go to the lojban site you wi=
ll find a couple of discussions on curses, and swearing. Since the language=
 is based on creating logically verifiable statements, most curses simply d=
o <i>not</i> parse, at least not IN lojban. The closest you may come is <b>=
do bebna</b> (you are a fool) though that does not fulfill the emotional ca=
tharsis of calling somebody a &quot;fucking retard&quot; even if it is logi=
cally equivalent.<br>

<br>mi&#39;e brais<br></font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Anton Golov <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kdesevis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kdesev=
is@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On 17 December 2011 16:55, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonu=
s@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I don&#39;t believe a word of that. Especially the part about &quot;in=
tellectual<br>
&gt; exercise&quot;.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Lee Carlson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lor=
ddraqo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lorddraqo@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; This has been revisited from time-to-time and the outcome is alway=
s that<br>
&gt;&gt; curses and such are deeply invested in cultural context. As such a=
 language<br>
&gt;&gt; that is designed to be culturally neutral does not provide curses =
outside of<br>
&gt;&gt; the cultural context of the particular user. For anyone is raised =
with<br>
&gt;&gt; lojban as their primary language, the concept of cursing, and expl=
etives<br>
&gt;&gt; will likely be an intellectual exercise, rather than an emotional =
outburst.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; mi&#39;e brais<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>It seems more likely that if people were raised with Lojban as their<=
br>
primary language, they would develop a vocabulary of curses and<br>
euphemisms of their own.<br>
<br>
mi&#39;e jesyspa<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br></div></div><div c=
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
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:D )<br>
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