Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:57041) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RcHmN-000343-QG; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:31:57 -0800 Received: by yenm3 with SMTP id m3sf5124890yen.16 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:31:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eQdqE5i3x2Vip/MaXpjUmMgfrVUrXFMnwPmubUr5BHs=; b=j8SOPPDBFoZCXhmD8AuvojcaX29Ed33RlR6E+KErhb8oTkU0cwlGAUFULH2ee3eG0f xp4eJFHMvAflCjNgumU2Lc9j3VmdLZ2tyUXmJlvfjBlppcIEy+/jdvMMB6yZnoEqrk6y iDpAN5Z7wJGZGlAibe3FeEV/vQ37QsunC9XvY= Received: by 10.236.170.168 with SMTP id p28mr5593090yhl.11.1324218704640; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.134.16 with SMTP id h16ls12167536and.4.gmail; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.82.8 with SMTP id j8mr10518534anl.13.1324218704045; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.82.8 with SMTP id j8mr10518533anl.13.1324218704030; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f190.google.com (mail-qy0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r30si9249879anp.1.2011.12.18.06.31.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.190 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.190; Received: by qcse14 with SMTP id e14so10011318qcs.7 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:31:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.188.16 with SMTP id cy16mr3254853qab.8.1324218703897; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by n6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:31:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:31:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <331933.206.1324190220591.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqay21> <022d3c68-2735-46bf-a41b-a1ee6b86ae1f@z25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <29088838.302.1324190905334.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn9> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/11.04 Chromium/14.0.835.202 Chrome/14.0.835.202 Safari/535.1,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <8dd90bf8-bb28-45cf-956f-636a44243f9a@n6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How to use selma'o SE with tanru ? From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.190 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Yes, I misunderstood the question, I though you asked how to say "I live in a pretty little house". But about {melbi cmalu se zdani}, I keep my side that it's correct. The semantics of tanru is vague, it means roughly "to have a house, somehow connected with being pretty and being small", so it may mean both "to be pretty little resident" or "to reside in a pretty little house", among other things. mu'o mi'e ianek On Dec 18, 8:08=A0am, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Right. {lo mi melbi cmalu zdani} (=3D {lo melbi cmalu zdani pe mi}) is "M= y > pretty little house". You don't want se in there at all. > > {mi ponse lo melbi cmalu zdani} is "I have a pretty little house". > > "My pretty little house" is a sumti, not a bridi. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:48 PM, gleki wrot= e: > > Although =A0{melbi cmalu se zdani} should be understood as {someone pre= tty > > small who has a house} > > > On Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:41:13 AM UTC+4, ianek wrote: > > >> One way is {mi melbi cmalu se zdani}, another {mi se ke melbi cmalu > >> zdani [ke'e]}. > > >> mu'o mi'e ianek > > >> On Dec 18, 7:37 am, gleki wrote: > >> > Hi everyone. > >> > I have a question. Let's say I want to say "My pretty little house". > >> > I wanted to say > >> > "mi se (melbi cmalu zdani)" but the phrase is parsed by jbofi'e > >> > [1(2*[zdani1 (home(s)) :] **mi* *I, me*)2 *[is, does]* =AB3(4(5*se* > >> *melbi* *observer > >> > of beauty-ish* *[type-of]* *cmalu* *small*)5 *[type-of]* *zdani* *be= ing > >> > home(s)*)4=BB3]1 > > >> > How can I direcly point "SE" to zdani, not to melbi ? > > >> =A0-- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/lC8MfcrLxh8J. > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.