Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:33660) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RcM1G-0004jX-1c; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:03:37 -0800 Received: by yhgg71 with SMTP id g71sf6873580yhg.16 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:03:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AYolRqdFGtqUzF076MKL/fTsMPXGLG+2b7osFGn6Kcc=; b=1gfJYt1GaiO90kDoJ7cihDvEBwhZ1lpru3BKlNfejiD7jiO0u44SoJPRXsDxzC4pdV w29G3/Q6KJ8j3Rt+ROp1aMm9gHNVgNSrxF86lHamXXkCB+QKWf5l1TwGDzZ6cwjRikr9 at8P6X4nhwK6SYIFL+Yg5iwLEV/gS1KA2iYOc= Received: by 10.236.124.38 with SMTP id w26mr5838632yhh.2.1324235002912; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:03:22 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.29.30 with SMTP id g30ls12884283anj.5.gmail; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.217.17 with SMTP id u17mr11080051anq.3.1324235002285; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.217.17 with SMTP id u17mr11080050anq.3.1324235002263; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f180.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ni1si1641785igc.1.2011.12.18.11.03.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.180; Received: by obbup3 with SMTP id up3so1197159obb.25 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:03:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.144.69 with SMTP id sk5mr8232167obb.27.1324235001893; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:03:21 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.128.35 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:03:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8dd90bf8-bb28-45cf-956f-636a44243f9a@n6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com> References: <331933.206.1324190220591.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqay21> <022d3c68-2735-46bf-a41b-a1ee6b86ae1f@z25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <29088838.302.1324190905334.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn9> <8dd90bf8-bb28-45cf-956f-636a44243f9a@n6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:03:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: How to use selma'o SE with tanru ? 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To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9399671e3145504b4627c4f X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae9399671e3145504b4627c4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One way is {melbi cmalu zdani mi}; another (non-standard, slightly interestingly imprecise) is {melbi cmalu zdani .i mi se go'i} Also, you should be aware that "pretty little house", i.e. a house which is both pretty and little, is better expressed by {lo melbi ke cmalu zdani}, while {lo melbi cmalu zdani} is closer in meaning to "beautifully little house" because {melbi} attaches to {cmalu} first. On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:31 AM, ianek wrote: > Yes, I misunderstood the question, I though you asked how to say "I > live in a pretty little house". But about {melbi cmalu se zdani}, I > keep my side that it's correct. The semantics of tanru is vague, it > means roughly "to have a house, somehow connected with being pretty > and being small", so it may mean both "to be pretty little resident" > or "to reside in a pretty little house", among other things. > > mu'o mi'e ianek > > On Dec 18, 8:08 am, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Right. {lo mi melbi cmalu zdani} (=3D {lo melbi cmalu zdani pe mi}) is = "My > > pretty little house". You don't want se in there at all. > > > > {mi ponse lo melbi cmalu zdani} is "I have a pretty little house". > > > > "My pretty little house" is a sumti, not a bridi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:48 PM, gleki > wrote: > > > Although {melbi cmalu se zdani} should be understood as {someone > pretty > > > small who has a house} > > > > > On Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:41:13 AM UTC+4, ianek wrote: > > > > >> One way is {mi melbi cmalu se zdani}, another {mi se ke melbi cmalu > > >> zdani [ke'e]}. > > > > >> mu'o mi'e ianek > > > > >> On Dec 18, 7:37 am, gleki wrote: > > >> > Hi everyone. > > >> > I have a question. Let's say I want to say "My pretty little house= ". > > >> > I wanted to say > > >> > "mi se (melbi cmalu zdani)" but the phrase is parsed by jbofi'e > > >> > [1(2*[zdani1 (home(s)) :] **mi* *I, me*)2 *[is, does]* =AB3(4(5*se= * > > >> *melbi* *observer > > >> > of beauty-ish* *[type-of]* *cmalu* *small*)5 *[type-of]* *zdani* > *being > > >> > home(s)*)4=BB3]1 > > > > >> > How can I direcly point "SE" to zdani, not to melbi ? > > > > >> -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/lC8MfcrLxh8J. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.co= m > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --14dae9399671e3145504b4627c4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One way is {melbi cmalu zdani mi}; another (non-standard, slightly interest= ingly imprecise) is {melbi cmalu zdani .i mi se go'i}

Also, you = should be aware that "pretty little house", i.e. a house which is= both pretty and little, is better expressed by {lo melbi ke cmalu zdani}, = while {lo melbi cmalu zdani} is closer in meaning to "beautifully litt= le house" because {melbi} attaches to {cmalu} first.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:31 AM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com= > wrote:
Yes, I misunderstood the question, I though you asked how to say "I live in a pretty little house". But about {melbi cmalu se zdani}, I keep my side that it's correct. The semantics of tanru is vague, it
means roughly "to have a house, somehow connected with being pretty and being small", so it may mean both "to be pretty little reside= nt"
or "to reside in a pretty little house", among other things.

mu'o mi'e ianek

On Dec 18, 8:08=A0am, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Right. {lo mi melbi cmalu zdani} (=3D {lo melbi cmalu zdani pe mi}) is= "My
> pretty little house". You don't want se in there at all.
>
> {mi ponse lo melbi cmalu zdani} is "I have a pretty little house&= quot;.
>
> "My pretty little house" is a sumti, not a bridi.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:48 = PM, gleki <gleki.is.my.n..= .@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Although =A0{melbi cmalu se zdani} should be understood as {someo= ne pretty
> > small who has a house}
>
> > On Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:41:13 AM UTC+4, ianek wrote:
>
> >> One way is {mi melbi cmalu se zdani}, another {mi se ke melbi= cmalu
> >> zdani [ke'e]}.
>
> >> mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> >> On Dec 18, 7:37 am, gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi everyone.
> >> > I have a question. Let's say I want to say "My = pretty little house".
> >> > I wanted to say
> >> > "mi se (melbi cmalu zdani)" but the phrase is = parsed by jbofi'e
> >> > [1(2*[zdani1 (home(s)) :] **mi* *I, me*)2 *[is, does]* = =AB3(4(5*se*
> >> *melbi* *observer
> >> > of beauty-ish* *[type-of]* *cmalu* *small*)5 *[type-of]*= *zdani* *being
> >> > home(s)*)4=BB3]1
>
> >> > How can I direcly point "SE" to zdani, not to = melbi ?
>
> >> =A0--
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>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo= 'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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