On Sun, Dec 18, 2= 011 at 7:46 AM, Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:

If y= ou feel that way, then I shall withdraw from the conversation. I never said= that you could not express emotion in lojban, only that lojban does not le= nd itself to the emotional manipulation of others that is the purpose of cu= rsing. I may say: oonai do bebna ; however that is for my emo= tional satisfaction. I just want to know why you feel it necessary to attac= h this kind of baggage to lojban?

mi'e brais

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeon= us@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone who says you can't express emotion in Lojban is wrong. And you, = sir, are a fanza cinki. .i.e'o do jmina lo do se finti le se casnu gi&#= 39;onai sisti lonu do tavla fi ti Your opinion on whether it is possible to= curse in Lojban does nothing to contribute to the purpose of this conversa= tion, i.e., to come up with Lojbanic curses.

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Lee Carlso= n <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
And therein lies the problem. Cu= rsing always involves a component of emotional manipulation, which is n= ot a component of lojban. You can make statements which you can determine a= re either valid, or invalid, and whether or not you choose to imbue them wi= th emotional content is entirely up to you, not a function of the language.= What to you is a logical curse?

mi'e brais

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Jonathan Jones <= ;eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

No, that's not a problem, becuase "you enjoy sex for it's own = sake" isn't cursing. In any language.

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Lee Carlson <lorddraqo= @gmail.com> wrote:

And = there is the problem. The truth of most cursing is about cultural ex= pectations. In our culture, calling a woman a slut is insulting whet= her or not the statement is true. However saying "you enjoy sex for it= s own sake" does not have the same visceral satisfaction, wheth= er or not the statement is true.

mi'e brais

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Jonathan Jones <= ;eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

Okay, that's utter bullshit. Whether a sentence parses has nothing to d= o with its truth value. The grammar doesn't care about the content. &qu= ot;Lojban is based on logic" !=3D "Lojban can't be used to sa= y false or illogical things".

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Lee Carlson= <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
If you go to the lojban site you wi= ll find a couple of discussions on curses, and swearing. Since the language= is based on creating logically verifiable statements, most curses simply d= o not parse, at least not IN lojban. The closest you may come is = do bebna (you are a fool) though that does not fulfill the emotional ca= tharsis of calling somebody a "fucking retard" even if it is logi= cally equivalent.

mi'e brais

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Anton Golov <<= a href=3D"mailto:kdesevis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kdesevis@gmail.com> wrote:

On 17 December 2011 16:55, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't believe a word of that. Especially the part about "in= tellectual
> exercise".
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This has been revisited from time-to-time and the outcome is alway= s that
>> curses and such are deeply invested in cultural context. As such a= language
>> that is designed to be culturally neutral does not provide curses = outside of
>> the cultural context of the particular user. For anyone is raised = with
>> lojban as their primary language, the concept of cursing, and expl= etives
>> will likely be an intellectual exercise, rather than an emotional = outburst.
>>
>> mi'e brais
>>

It seems more likely that if people were raised with Lojban as their<= br> primary language, they would develop a vocabulary of curses and
euphemisms of their own.

mi'e jesyspa

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