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You could say {lo nu condi sanji pensi cu se jalge lo nu banli prije}.
You can use more specific abstractors =96 {nu} is a generalized event
abstractor, and here the process of deep thinking/meditation results
in the state of a great wisdom (being greatly wise), so it can be
specified as {lo pu'u condi sanji pensi cu se jalge lo za'i banli
prije}. I rarely see specific event abstractors (za'i/pu'u/mu'e/zu'o),
seems like everyone is happy with {nu}.
Also, for buddhist meditation I would coin a lujvo like {bu'otse} zo'o

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 20 Gru, 20:11, Dank <dankai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> thank you, this is a really very very good answer, it clarify me a lot
> of things. The original phrase that was trying to translate is this :
> "meditation brings wisdom" . and yeah deepthinking could be similar to
> meditation,and if its not, i opine it still does a good job, beacause
> deep thinking is also a good wise message. But i still wonder how can
> you say in lojban that deep(big, high, etc) thinking brings wisdom. I
> am not shure , beacause is a very vague phrase, but still it should be
> possible to say it in lojban, is nt?
>
> On 18 dic, 01:06, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Using {le} doesn't allow to say whatever to mean whatever else.
> > According to xorlo (which didn't really changed {le} btw):
>
> > >The resulting expression refers specifically to an individual or indiv=
iduals that the speaker has in mind and which the speaker describes as fitt=
ing the first argument of the selbri.
>
> > So by {le nu ...} you express something specific you have in mind,
> > which you describe as an event of some kind. It is absurd to describe
> > an agent as an event.
>
> > On Dec 17, 4:28=A0pm, Dank <dankai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > it means what it says,
>
> > It says "A specific thing I have in mind, which I describe as an event
> > of deep conscious thinking, is an agent who brings about another
> > specific thing I have in mind, which I describe as a great matter
> > which someone is wise about" and I really doubt you wanted to express
> > this.
>
> > > seprije could probably go as well as selprije.
>
> > It's a topic of someone's sagacity. If you meant wisdom, I think it
> > would be {lo ka prije}. But gasnu2 should be an event brought about,
> > not a topic or a property. {lo nu prije} on the other hand is an event
> > of someone being wise.
>
> > > i know gasnu is an agent, so i am agree that if the sumti start with
> > > lo, it has to be a person or an agent. But since i am using "le" i wa=
s
> > > hoping that any kind of stuff can go in there, any abstraction or
> > > bridi starting with "le", since i supose "le" is to say that i
> > > describe the thing this way, so it should be to describe in almost an=
y
> > > way
>
> > If you see an apple you don't describe it as an airplane. It seems
> > that you think {le} allows you to babble nonsense.
>
> > > about using condi, since is in "le" i guess is allowed to use deepnes=
s
> > > as a descriptor, =A0regardless of whatever it might mean deep as a
> > > descriptor of sanji
>
> > I think in tanru you can use {condi} and other words in metaphorical
> > sense (regardless of le/lo), but it's a matter of taste.
>
> > > Anyway, if the phrase is not correct, how could the same thing can be
> > > said in another way???
>
> > Which same thing? My guess about what you meant is either "Deep
> > thinking leads to a great wisdom" or "A deep thinker does wise
> > things".
> > General hint: don't use {le}, it doesn't do what you think it does.
> > Unless I'm mistaken, in xorlo {lo} is strictly more general then {le},
> > ie. you can use {lo} every time you would use {le}, just like you can
> > use "vehicle" anytime you could use "car".
>
> > mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> > > On 17 dic, 00:26, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>
> > > > On Saturday 17 December 2011 01:08:06 Dank wrote:
>
> > > > > hi, i was just wondering how correct is this phrase,
>
> > > > > le nu condi sanji pensi cu gasnu le banli seprije
>
> > > > It's syntactically correct, though I'm not sure what it means.
> > > > *"seprije" is run together. We normally don't run words together un=
less all of
> > > > them are cmavo.
> > > > *The subject of "gasnu" is an agent; you have an abstraction (which=
 is like a
> > > > subordinate clause) there. "le pensi cu gasnu" makes sense.
> > > > *Are you talking about thoughts of deep-sea divers?
>
> > > > Pierre
>
> > > > --
> > > > Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.

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