Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:43629) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RdFJZ-00066X-EY; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:06:19 -0800 Received: by qcsr14 with SMTP id r14sf12053456qcs.16 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:06:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Jt6llSbC+yXorm18z2wlSjW//svpwTWKicucNCnKzLw=; b=aStFri4jxvhVnb2JlDMrYnSLe49UwpNixvnHt2ZXBCr/XYkKKbfKFVw+8DV9L+u5r/ u2STFFAFu3y5AHBC6GhxzfGpVcWu5P4K+/QWoB4XZZKIUGg6U2pPuQJGH70d0IUVqIv1 /IyX+iGcMfn3sSnRR/hdL2CF+rBS5QgpeHV58= Received: by 10.229.78.199 with SMTP id m7mr296648qck.12.1324447558158; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:05:58 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.193.7 with SMTP id ds7ls12525577qcb.1.gmail; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:05:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.197.72 with SMTP id ej8mr11024900qab.0.1324447557119; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:05:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.176.134 with SMTP id be6msqab; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.190.68 with SMTP id d44mr26553426yhn.1.1324144562048; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.190.68 with SMTP id d44mr26553422yhn.1.1324144562017; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dn4si2395874igb.2.2011.12.17.09.56.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lorddraqo@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.182; Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so1414269obb.13 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:56:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.113.71 with SMTP id iw7mr4022800obb.68.1324144561610; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.17.6 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:56:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:56:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Curses! From: Lee Carlson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lorddraqo@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lorddraqo@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lorddraqo@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f3c639ddb804b44d6e46 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0447f3c639ddb804b44d6e46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Does "you are the son of a dung-eating flea" mean very much to you? Leland On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I don't believe a word of that. Especially the part about "intellectual > exercise". > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Lee Carlson wrote: > >> This has been revisited from time-to-time and the outcome is always that >> *curses* and such are deeply invested in cultural context. As such a >> language that is designed to be culturally neutral does not provide curses >> outside of the cultural context of the particular user. For anyone is >> raised with lojban as their primary language, the concept of cursing, and >> expletives will likely be an intellectual exercise, rather than an >> emotional outburst. >> >> mi'e brais >> >> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Is it just me, or is this group rather slow of late? >>>> >>>> Well, in part to spark up some conversation on here, and in part >>>> because I'd like to be able to curse in Lojban, I'm proposing we come up >>>> with some Lojbanic curses. >>>> >>>> And I don't necessarily mean shit, fuck, damn, etc. I mean more along >>>> the lines of "You pea-brained sack of twat-juice!", or "Cum-guzzling gutter >>>> slut!" or "Republican" (that last one was a joke). >>>> >>>> So, to start things off, here's one from me: >>>> >>>> tolmencrerai : x1 is a fucking retard (not in the mental disability >>>> sense) to x2 because of x3 >>>> >>>> i.e. {do tolmencrerai fi lonu lo do carce pu daspo lo mi rozgu} = "You >>>> fucking retard! You ran over my roses!" >>>> >>> >>> Actually, a better translation would probably be "You're a fucking >>> retard for running over my roses!" >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> The World is a magical place, waiting for our senses to grow sharper. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- The World is a magical place, waiting for our senses to grow sharper. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d0447f3c639ddb804b44d6e46 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does "= you are the son of a dung-eating flea" mean very much to you?

L= eland

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 = at 9:55 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe a word of that. Especial= ly the part about "intellectual exercise".
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Lee Car= lson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
This has been revisited from time-to-time and the outco= me is always that curses and such are deeply invested in cultural co= ntext. As such a language that is designed to be culturally neutral does no= t provide curses outside of the cultural context of the particular user. Fo= r anyone is raised with lojban as their primary language, the concept of cu= rsing, and expletives will likely be an intellectual exercise, rather than = an emotional outburst.

mi'e brais

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gma= il.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Jonathan J= ones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it just me, or is this group rather slow of late?

Well, in part t= o spark up some conversation on here, and in part because I'd like to b= e able to curse in Lojban, I'm proposing we come up with some Lojbanic = curses.

And I don't necessarily mean shit, fuck, damn, etc. I mean more alo= ng the lines of "You pea-brained sack of twat-juice!", or "C= um-guzzling gutter slut!" or "Republican" (that last one was= a joke).

So, to start things off, here's one from me:

tolmencrerai : = x1 is a fucking retard (not in the mental disability sense) to x2 because o= f x3

i.e. {do tolmencrerai fi lonu lo do carce pu daspo lo mi rozgu}= =3D "You fucking retard! You ran over my roses!"

Actually, a better translation would probably b= e "You're a fucking retard for running over my roses!"

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )

=


--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'= ;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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mu'o mi'= e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. m= i patfu do zo'o
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