Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:62718) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RdIZp-0007iL-GZ; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:35:14 -0800 Received: by eekc4 with SMTP id c4sf5956827eek.16 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:35:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Qu6S+QwctK9yRGKgBlVy6rghlZuHqtc9d7AmQiE5CKo=; b=sJCg3Ypf0MMkunL83MM4mz9fwjtdqKTA68oL+bGnDbpxRvqxDaDiQJLx3J3RPsp+/a XmL1rUO/NF/8fyASDtDW4fJq1HxtFDs2+jzs+7Ict4N6SeP6spdLVRrp/n4js5+gYitt DhImNJvnbEiRsJ7F7mmfyI2L/Z6fIVbepb3w4= Received: by 10.204.156.2 with SMTP id u2mr1030068bkw.4.1324460097241; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:34:57 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.195.145 with SMTP id ec17ls16662255bkb.1.gmail; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.152.89 with SMTP id f25mr257983bkw.0.1324460095745; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.152.89 with SMTP id f25mr257982bkw.0.1324460095720; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r6si4266576bks.0.2011.12.21.01.34.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.47; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com with SMTP id i14so4116763lam.34 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:34:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.111.201 with SMTP id ik9mr643036lab.8.1324460095485; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.114.230 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:34:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 02:34:55 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Curses! From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04083f2182b76204b496e52d X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04083f2182b76204b496e52d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't personally take offense to it, but it does sound like an insult. On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Lee Carlson wrote: > Does "you are the son of a dung-eating flea" mean very much to you? > > Leland > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> I don't believe a word of that. Especially the part about "intellectual >> exercise". >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Lee Carlson wrote: >> >>> This has been revisited from time-to-time and the outcome is always that >>> *curses* and such are deeply invested in cultural context. As such a >>> language that is designed to be culturally neutral does not provide curses >>> outside of the cultural context of the particular user. For anyone is >>> raised with lojban as their primary language, the concept of cursing, and >>> expletives will likely be an intellectual exercise, rather than an >>> emotional outburst. >>> >>> mi'e brais >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is it just me, or is this group rather slow of late? >>>>> >>>>> Well, in part to spark up some conversation on here, and in part >>>>> because I'd like to be able to curse in Lojban, I'm proposing we come up >>>>> with some Lojbanic curses. >>>>> >>>>> And I don't necessarily mean shit, fuck, damn, etc. I mean more along >>>>> the lines of "You pea-brained sack of twat-juice!", or "Cum-guzzling gutter >>>>> slut!" or "Republican" (that last one was a joke). >>>>> >>>>> So, to start things off, here's one from me: >>>>> >>>>> tolmencrerai : x1 is a fucking retard (not in the mental disability >>>>> sense) to x2 because of x3 >>>>> >>>>> i.e. {do tolmencrerai fi lonu lo do carce pu daspo lo mi rozgu} = "You >>>>> fucking retard! You ran over my roses!" >>>>> >>>> >>>> Actually, a better translation would probably be "You're a fucking >>>> retard for running over my roses!" >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The World is a magical place, waiting for our senses to grow sharper. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > The World is a magical place, waiting for our senses to grow sharper. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d04083f2182b76204b496e52d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't personally take offense to it, but it does sound like an insult= .

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Lee C= arlson <lorddra= qo@gmail.com> wrote:
Does "you are the son of a dung-eating flea" = mean very much to you?

Leland

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus= @gmail.com> wrote:
I don't believe a word of that. Especial= ly the part about "intellectual exercise".


On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Lee Car= lson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
This has been revisited from time-to-time and the outco= me is always that curses and such are deeply invested in cultural co= ntext. As such a language that is designed to be culturally neutral does no= t provide curses outside of the cultural context of the particular user. Fo= r anyone is raised with lojban as their primary language, the concept of cu= rsing, and expletives will likely be an intellectual exercise, rather than = an emotional outburst.

mi'e brais

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gma= il.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Jonathan J= ones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it just me, or is this group rather slow of late?

Well, in part t= o spark up some conversation on here, and in part because I'd like to b= e able to curse in Lojban, I'm proposing we come up with some Lojbanic = curses.

And I don't necessarily mean shit, fuck, damn, etc. I mean more alo= ng the lines of "You pea-brained sack of twat-juice!", or "C= um-guzzling gutter slut!" or "Republican" (that last one was= a joke).

So, to start things off, here's one from me:

tolmencrerai : = x1 is a fucking retard (not in the mental disability sense) to x2 because o= f x3

i.e. {do tolmencrerai fi lonu lo do carce pu daspo lo mi rozgu}= =3D "You fucking retard! You ran over my roses!"

Actually, a better translation would probably b= e "You're a fucking retard for running over my roses!"

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )

=


--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'= ;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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