Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:57650) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rdi6S-0002e1-0L; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:50:34 -0800 Received: by qabj40 with SMTP id j40sf14288456qab.16 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:50:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q86e0Uj9zt/yYtU71aP8xNjXM9bwPXlEojoCg8d98EU=; b=CsKpY7fr+zaaA1ei9lSyCBVYNcyW/Zf1V66k5Z3jTFAjThZDgOCFbk+99mX8hr0IB/ uFHt9faM4toJlC2CrK/fAN92LoNaA28t4VvEv1G8KVYhqYYYz8U3ooSeIuOSbIz8JzEP 3U0UyP2ckolcmSQaNo7ZD85b0N9xWR+S0HOhc= Received: by 10.224.181.82 with SMTP id bx18mr2410935qab.7.1324558220991; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:50:20 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.96.15 with SMTP id f15ls6607699qan.4.gmail; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:50:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.216.132 with SMTP id hi4mr1484701qab.9.1324558219926; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by d10g2000vbk.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:50:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:50:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7922890.545.1324468114087.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqbo42> <650abed4-0adf-48fa-bab3-affc20681144@i6g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/16.0.912.63 Safari/535.7,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: {gi'e} and overlapping arrays From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / So, {da crino gi'e xunre} doesn't mean "something is both green andred", but "something is green and something is red"? I can't say thatI like it. How can I say it to mean the former? Not using {je},because it binds possible further arguments, like {da dunda je lebna}implies that someone gives and takes the same thing to and from thesame person (unless I'm mistaken). mu'o mi'e ianek On 22 Gru, 13:00, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:49 AM, ianek wrote: > > > I thought {broda gi'e brode vau fa da} is equivalent to {da broda gi'e > > brode} and it implies that it's the same "da" that does both broda and > > brode. > > If you replace "da" with "ko'a", that's exactly right. Also "PA da > zo'u broda gi'e brode vau fa da" is equivalent to "PA da zo'u da broda > gi'e brode". > > Quantifiers and logical connectives are both bridi operators, and they > don't generally commute, so you can't just move one past the other, > > mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.