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I can appreciate your argument here, though my confusion stands. Insults
and swearing appear to have two goals. The goal of the first is emotional
manipulation of the person you are directing the insult at; the goal of the
second is to vent emotions in an exhibitionist display. Neither of these
things appear to be *necessary* to the function of lojban. However I do
appreciate that there are people who cannot communicate without peppering
their speech with expletives. I will admit that when I was younger I worked
construction and developed the habituation of swearing constantly. As I
have grown older I have worked to find more logical and mature ways of
expressing myself. To date I have become quite fond of my son's preferred
expletive: "taxes and wet socks!" as well as one of my close friends' usage
of: "audit you!" (as in his estimation wishing someone "fuck you," would
provide them all too much pleasure). I like the idea of using *do'au* and *
zo'au* as attitudinals to mark intended/unintended insult or offense. I am
interested in what pundits like xorxe and robin have to say on this subject.

mu'o mi'e brais

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:53 AM, <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

> On , Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I suppose that my confusion stems from a lack of understanding as to why
> lojban needs curses and insults?
>
> I would be very surprised if lojban wouldn't allow curses and insults.
> Considering how rich is Lojban in expressing emotions, why should cursing
> and swaring be left out?
>
> I would dream of a vocative, say {do'au} of selma'o DOI. You could say
> {do'au plise} and everyone would understand that it is intendend to be an
> insult, whether or not to be an apple offends them. Of course {do'aunai
> xalci} would not be meant to be an insult even if I would be probably
> offended.
>
> Alternatively an emotional (say {zo'au} of selma'o UI5) could be used with
> the meaning of "offensively - no offense intended".
>
> To me, it would seem the most lojbanic way to swear/course. The point is
> not if a particular analogy or name is offensive but if the intention is to
> offend.
>
> remod
>
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<font color=3D"#003300"><font face=3D"comic sans ms,sans-serif">I can appre=
ciate your argument here, though my confusion stands. Insults and swearing =
appear to have two goals. The goal of the first is emotional manipulation o=
f the person you are directing the insult at; the goal of the second is to =
vent emotions in an exhibitionist display. Neither of these things appear t=
o be <i>necessary</i> to the function of lojban. However I do appreciate th=
at there are people who cannot communicate without peppering their speech w=
ith expletives. I will admit that when I was younger I worked construction =
and developed the habituation of swearing constantly. As I have grown older=
 I have worked to find more logical and mature ways of expressing myself. T=
o date I have become quite fond of my son&#39;s preferred expletive: &quot;=
taxes and wet socks!&quot; as well as one of my close friends&#39; usage of=
: &quot;audit you!&quot; (as in his estimation wishing someone &quot;fuck y=
ou,&quot; would provide them all too much pleasure). I like the idea of usi=
ng <b>do&#39;au</b> and <b>zo&#39;au</b> as attitudinals to mark intended/u=
nintended insult or offense. I am interested in what pundits like xorxe and=
 robin have to say on this subject.<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e brais<br></font></font><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:53 AM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:rdentato@gmail.com">rdentato@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On , Lee Carlson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lorddraqo@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">lorddraqo@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; I suppose t=
hat my confusion stems from a lack of understanding as to why lojban needs =
curses and insults? <br>
<br></div>  I would be very surprised if lojban wouldn&#39;t allow curses a=
nd insults. Considering how rich is Lojban in expressing emotions, why shou=
ld cursing and swaring be left out?<br><br>  I would dream of a vocative, s=
ay {do&#39;au} of selma&#39;o DOI. You could say {do&#39;au plise} and ever=
yone would understand that it is intendend to be an insult, whether or not =
to be an apple offends them. Of course {do&#39;aunai xalci} would not be me=
ant to be an insult even if I would be probably offended.<br>
<br>  Alternatively an emotional (say {zo&#39;au} of selma&#39;o UI5) could=
 be used with the meaning of  &quot;offensively - no offense intended&quot;=
. <br><br>  To me, it would seem the most lojbanic way to swear/course. The=
 point is not if a particular analogy or name is offensive but if the inten=
tion is to offend.<br>
<br>  remod

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