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On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Janek <j-sz@o2.pl> wrote:
> So, {da crino gi'e xunre} doesn't mean "something is both green and
> red", but "something is green and something is red"?

No, it does mean the first:

(1) [su'o] da crino gi'e xunre
= su'o da zo'u da crino gi'e xunre
= su'o da zo'u ge da crino gi da xunre

> I can't say that
> I like it. How can I say it to mean the former?

The other one is:

(2) crino gi'e xunre vau fa su'o da
= ge crino fa su'o da gi xunre fa su'o da
= ge su'o da zo'u da crino gi su'o da zo'u da xunre

In (1), su'o comes first and thus has scope over gi'e. In (2) gi'e
comes first and has scope over su'o.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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