Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:46545) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RdvuA-0001Me-8g; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:34:47 -0800 Received: by iaeh11 with SMTP id h11sf16844831iae.16 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:34:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0BoUY9OWf5H2QaESUFwzf9lNw9s5w0MS9wwUMR31gyg=; b=DFjCZDuIPef2nljAmu6efBq/WX/8QsYupnOcdYd70AKqRTB+8Ks8KOEP9UEiY+FYOJ 00Av2CngKBirM0r62caRlt8LLAEmM5Wy7kE6Gc1YCiGOK0ZCxrMakPa34EaRqPhhtwX5 IY+a8/q9kbj0wqzJpRrzgwjcV0QEitX/6b6RM= Received: by 10.50.178.41 with SMTP id cv9mr3516225igc.1.1324611275502; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:34:35 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.19.205 with SMTP id c13ls8830470ibb.5.gmail; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.153.200 with SMTP id vi8mr4938615igb.3.1324611274623; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.153.200 with SMTP id vi8mr4938612igb.3.1324611274605; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f172.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gx3si9421610igb.0.2011.12.22.19.34.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.172; Received: by obcuz6 with SMTP id uz6so5294906obc.31 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.180.5 with SMTP id dk5mr11226407obc.7.1324611274263; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:34:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.128.35 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:34:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201112221543.54376.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: ".arpis." Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:34:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Curses! To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442825077cc3704b4ba18da X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0442825077cc3704b4ba18da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {le cevni kurji ko} isn't an expression, but two sumti stuck side by side; if you use {cevni kurji ko}, you are commanding someone (or something) to [let it/him/her-self} be taken care of by god, which is closer to the meaning, but still not quite there. On the topic of curses: even though it's important to be able to understand novel phrases and to be able to come up with them when necessary, it's also important to have a cache of canned constructions for expressing oneself without needing to think too hard about it. On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Lee Carlson wrote: > I now have a better feel for what aionys is looking for, and I can > appreciate it more fully. For m'self I use the construction *le cevni > kurji ko* in place of the traditional pagan "blessed be." Since we are > looking at expletives that will fit the lojbanic culture, perhaps blessings > can also be derived. I happen to agree that culturally neutral does not > mean culturally absent; 'tis just that the culture of lojbanistan is still > evolving and I had not considered curses to this point. > > > mu'o mi'e brais > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> Oh! Useless! I get it now. >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >>> Blech, I'm always forgetting that pilno doesn't own pi'o >>> On Dec 22, 2011 4:10 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: >>> >>>> I'm sorry, what's the opposite of a piano? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well sure but that's kind of akin to saying "no need for nursery >>>>> rhymes. Just use {cifselsa'a}". >>>>> >>>>> I'll throw in some things I've found myself using in the past: >>>>> cmamenpre >>>>> latpinca >>>>> tolmencre is a classic >>>>> maltolpi'o >>>>> >>>>> Usually if a thing is inherrently unpleasant I won't bother with the >>>>> "mal" since it seems unlikely for a person hearing "doi latpinca" to get >>>>> confused and think that I actually believe that I'm addressing cat piss. >>>>> But in cases like "tolpi'o" I'll throw the "mal" on just to clarify that >>>>> I'm not merely stating a fact. >>>>> On Dec 22, 2011 3:44 PM, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday 22 December 2011 15:30:46 Luke Bergen wrote: >>>>>> > It sounds like .aionys. is basically just asking if we could start >>>>>> > developing some lojbanic culture around cursing much like robin >>>>>> asked us to >>>>>> > come up with some lojban nursery rhymes. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is, of course, "mabla", which is defined as "x1 is a derogative >>>>>> connotation/sense of x2 used by x3" but several of us think it should >>>>>> be a >>>>>> general-purpose cussword. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pierre >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > The World is a magical place, waiting for our senses to grow sharper. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d0442825077cc3704b4ba18da Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {le cevni kurji ko} isn't an expression, but two sumti stuck side by si= de; if you use {cevni kurji ko}, you are commanding someone (or something) = to [let it/him/her-self} be taken care of by god, which is closer to the me= aning, but still not quite there.

On the topic of curses: even though it's important to be able to un= derstand novel phrases and to be able to come up with them when necessary, = it's also important to have a cache of canned constructions for express= ing oneself without needing to think too hard about it.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Lee Carlso= n <lorddraqo@gm= ail.com> wrote:
I now have = a better feel for what aionys is looking for, and I can appreciate it more = fully. For m'self I use the construction le cevni kurji ko in pl= ace of the traditional pagan "blessed be." Since we are looking a= t expletives that will fit the lojbanic culture, perhaps blessings can also= be derived. I happen to agree that culturally neutral does not mean cultur= ally absent; 'tis just that the culture of lojbanistan is still evolvin= g and I had not considered curses to this point.


mu'o mi'e brais

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 4:50 PM, J= onathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh! Useless! I get it now.


On T= hu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

Blech, I'm always forgetting that pilno doesn't own pi'o

On Dec 22, 2011 4:10 PM, "Jonathan Jon= es" <eyeonus= @gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sorry, what's the opposite of a piano?

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Luke Bergen &l= t;lukeabergen@gm= ail.com> wrote:

Well sure but that's kind of akin to = saying "no need for nursery rhymes. Just use {cifselsa'a}".

I'll throw in some things I've found myself using in the past: cmamenpre
latpinca
tolmencre is a classic
maltolpi'o

Usually if a thing is inherrently unpleasant I won't bother with the= "mal" since it seems unlikely for a person hearing "doi lat= pinca" to get confused and think that I actually believe that I'm = addressing cat piss.=A0 But in cases like "tolpi'o" I'll = throw the "mal" on just to clarify that I'm not merely statin= g a fact.

On Dec 22, 2011 3:44 PM, "Pierre Abbat"= ; <phma@phma.opt= us.nu> wrote:
On Thursday 22 December 2011 15:30:46 Luke Bergen wrote:
> It sounds like .aionys. is basically just asking if we could start
> developing some lojbanic culture around cursing much like robin asked = us to
> come up with some lojban nursery rhymes.

There is, of course, "mabla", which is defined as "x1 is a d= erogative
connotation/sense of x2 used by x3" but several of us think it should = be a
general-purpose cussword.

Pierre
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