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I thought that the *cu* could be left out if it did not create confusion.
As it appears to do so, I will amend my phrasing to reflect this and say: *le
cevni cu kurji ko*
As to arpis comment regarding the need for phrases that require no thought:
This is one of my concerns/gripes/disquiets with regard to *cursing/swearing
*. From my experience people use expletives when their desire is to vent
emotionally with something that sounds a bit more civilized than a wordless
scream of frustration/rage. Expletives, whether curse words, swearing, or
otherwise seldom carry any true semantic content other than to provide a
purely emotional label for the object of the user's frustration. Most
people resort to cursing/swearing when they do not wish to be bothered to
cerebrate around their rage/frustration though they want to express their
feelings to others around them, or often just themselves. This is why my
first responses to this thread were to question why we would need cursing.
I can understand nursery rhymes, as these all started out as cautionary
tales or lessons for children even if we have lost their original meaning
through the years. So my question still stands as: what *purpose* does
cursing fulfill, other than a cathartic release?

mu'o mi'e brais

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Thursday 22 December 2011 22:07:08 Lee Carlson wrote:
> > I now have a better feel for what aionys is looking for, and I can
> > appreciate it more fully. For m'self I use the construction *le cevni
> kurji
> > ko* in place of the traditional pagan "blessed be." Since we are looking
> at
> > expletives that will fit the lojbanic culture, perhaps blessings can also
> > be derived. I happen to agree that culturally neutral does not mean
> > culturally absent; 'tis just that the culture of lojbanistan is still
> > evolving and I had not considered curses to this point.
>
> You mean "le cevni cu kurji ko", right?
>
> Pierre
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<font color=3D"#003300"><font face=3D"comic sans ms,sans-serif">I thought t=
hat the <b>cu</b> could be left out if it did not create confusion. As it a=
ppears to do so, I will amend my phrasing to reflect this and say: <b>le ce=
vni cu kurji ko</b><br>
As to arpis comment regarding the need for phrases that require no thought:=
 This is one of my concerns/gripes/disquiets with regard to <i>cursing/swea=
ring</i>. From my experience people use expletives when their desire is to =
vent emotionally with something that sounds a bit more civilized than a wor=
dless scream of frustration/rage. Expletives, whether curse words, swearing=
, or otherwise seldom carry any true semantic content other than to provide=
 a purely emotional label for the object of the user&#39;s frustration. Mos=
t people resort to cursing/swearing when they do not wish to be bothered to=
 cerebrate around their rage/frustration though they want to express their =
feelings to others around them, or often just themselves. This is why my fi=
rst responses to this thread were to question why we would need cursing. I =
can understand nursery rhymes, as these all started out as cautionary tales=
 or lessons for children even if we have lost their original meaning throug=
h the years. So my question still stands as: what <i>purpose</i> does cursi=
ng fulfill, other than a cathartic release?<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e brais<br></font></font><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Thursday 22 December 20=
11 22:07:08 Lee Carlson wrote:<br>
&gt; I now have a better feel for what aionys is looking for, and I can<br>
</div>&gt; appreciate it more fully. For m&#39;self I use the construction =
*le cevni kurji<br>
&gt; ko* in place of the traditional pagan &quot;blessed be.&quot; Since we=
 are looking at<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; expletives that will fit the lojbanic culture, perha=
ps blessings can also<br>
&gt; be derived. I happen to agree that culturally neutral does not mean<br=
>
&gt; culturally absent; &#39;tis just that the culture of lojbanistan is st=
ill<br>
&gt; evolving and I had not considered curses to this point.<br>
<br>
</div>You mean &quot;le cevni cu kurji ko&quot;, right?<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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I believe in Yellow when I&#39;m in Sweden and in Black when I&#39;m in Wal=
es.<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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