Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:41450) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RjUaO-00044z-2n; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 03:37:20 -0800 Received: by vbbfs19 with SMTP id fs19sf1854255vbb.16 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 03:37:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wXJSfqsbdbUc33vZTelCoyV6qE7XfBBrwMASn8+Vtr0=; b=NWjcXPXISkXJKM70s9oLyqIJ4VS8UbsldTWwmvbvqBalcskRbjdQYdc8O3ZIPeV1wG zttVc/OLK6mk7v6dkDcqO/kT02KjA+EANIGFjZ+xSebJk6SiIDzuINu9TRjtQuTkutKN KvI3t85j5Db9SBFNPssZ35uTpq1Uw1NNaDSaM= Received: by 10.52.176.135 with SMTP id ci7mr1527079vdc.10.1325936221319; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 03:37:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.149.19 with SMTP id r19ls1347524vcv.2.canary; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 03:37:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.174.80 with SMTP id bq16mr1511877vdc.11.1325936220758; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 03:37:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by g41g2000yqa.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 03:37:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 03:37:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/16.0.912.63 Safari/535.7,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <489b3753-9749-4876-97a4-e95f9d586f30@g41g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Translation: If "every rule has at least one exception" is a rule, then at least one rule has no exception. From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / At least, I would shorten it and decrease quantity of KOhA1. And fix FA in the second part. {ganai lo du'u fi ro javni fa da nafselte'i ku javni gi fi su'o pa javni nafselte'i fa node} But then, x3 of {nafselte'i} is a set, not a rule. The simplest fix that comes to my mind is to use {fe tu'a}, but I'm not sure how to tu'a-convert {ro javni}. Also, I'm not sure that du'u-fact fits x1 of javni. We need a lujvo for "x1 is an exception to a rule x2" and I can't think of any. {naltinbe} is someone who doesn't obey the rule, so it's no good. Our exception is not an element of a set like nafselte'i, but a situation in which the rule doesn't apply, I think. mu'o mi'e ianek On 7 Sty, 00:27, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > I came up with this: > > {ganai lo du'u fi ro da poi javni fa de nafselte'i ku javni gi da'o da > poi javni fi node nafselte'i} > > Is there anything wrong with it? Would you say it differently? > > -- > =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.