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Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:50:34 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <17420344.123.1326349669489.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcb25> <57CDF052-0498-43F6-9B02-80622D00E054@lojban.org.uk> <796CDD9E-0B54-45CA-B1FA-55A25259411E@lojban.org.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:9FAtAYwXJPhCS6ERtulLEXqEMiz5eqErPiQsulhZFif yIIaMOQgM6nPVWr52B3YirKWBmq5itYlTefYI+hjNUcWlHL1GD aw1prGZ02Yizj9V6hJkp+0CxGYBepmBFi3u/io912J4F50MLHm ooK7yFRF9iQsheOGEVl/bgfSHKDZggR2OzZSzkn2KWcLFnvdeC CQJKdVgqum3t1BwaFZ0EnyIEJx5AJgSTh2i8U+i9K18XuCJdI7 91FnFDlEAyMLjqjjpx2VXkj+WlKl1+jxVdhMGqjxy0g+kwDTeD MxYt2hliMmehDPD5M1IqCbdf+UgvndXSRVyeP6HIJY5nXfPJwv 6iUxsvaGqo5Est0XSwJbe66cki3m9FJPAWLLoIsQSKRu9ERB/j D49eLcK6zM6Pw== X-Original-Sender: cr@cosmicray.co.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 212.227.126.171 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of cr@cosmicray.co.uk) smtp.mail=cr@cosmicray.co.uk Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6A34F6D2-9832-4440-824E-BE04970CCDC7" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --Apple-Mail=_6A34F6D2-9832-4440-824E-BE04970CCDC7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Those were very much my thoughts too - that porting a regularly updated ope= n source formatted book into a proprietary format was going to be awfully t= ough to keep up with. However, unlike apps, I think iBooks are static once= published. Authors don't push out a v1.x update after the fact. With thi= s in mind it's probably still worth forking the next stable CLL major versi= on and porting it, perhaps even embedding an errata section by use of a web= view that points back to the github repo in case of any major boo-boos. kozmikreis On 24 Jan 2012, at 02:44, Joshua Proehl wrote: > I was just looking into the idea of creating a CLL iBook as well!=20 > The problem that I see is that iBooks Author doesn't appear to play very = nicely with the idea of streaming data in from other files. Which means tha= t it's not really possible to script "convert the source files into an iBoo= k", but rather each change made to the source files would have to be manual= ly made to the iBook as well. Which is going to rapidly become painful. Fur= ther looking into is required however, as it would be a truly incredible pl= atform to use. >=20 > ---- > Josh > _____________________ > Instead of our drab slogging forth and back to the fishing boats, there's= a reason to life! We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ours= elves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be free= ! We can learn to fly! >=20 > =97 Richard Bach, 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull,' 1970. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:11, kozmikreis wrot= e: > I look forward to trying that out, please let us know when it's available= . It'll be good when there's finally a Lojban-specific app in the iTunes S= tore :-) >=20 > Regarding my conlanger meet-up app idea, I retain no rights to the idea s= hould you or anyone else wants to implement it either solo or as a collabor= ation. >=20 > On a slightly related note, there's now a free iBooks Author app in the M= ac App Store for authoring rich content books for iPad consumption. It loo= ks ideal for creating and sharing educational textbooks. The CLL as an iBo= ok would be a good place to start, once the latest changes to it have been = completed - thoughts anyone? >=20 > kozmikreis >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 22 Jan 2012, at 09:13, aryrain laubels wrote: >=20 >> I have written a Lojban Dictionary in pure Objective C, I am currently w= aiting for approval. I finished it a week or so ago but posted it today. Bu= t some other applications would be interesting. >>=20 >> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM, kozmikreis w= rote: >> [repost, original seems to have been lost to the aether] >>=20 >> I've got an Apple iOS Developer account and would be happy to have a han= d in writing a Lojban app for iOS (and Android if I can get the damn SDK an= d toolset stable), it's just I haven't thought of an app idea that has anyt= hing better to it than those that already exist. >>=20 >> My dev language of choice would probably be the JavaScript variant from = Appcelerator, not that it's anything amazing, but it can compile to multipl= e platforms and takes away some of the suckage of Objective C. >>=20 >> One idea I had was perhaps a meet-up app for conlangers in general, wher= eby you tick the list of languages you speak or are learning to speak and p= erhaps your level of proficiency, and let it run in the background occasion= ally checking your location in to a central server. When someone else with= a matching conlang interest is nearby the phone can alert you so you can m= eet up and say coi. Might be good for finding people to practice with? >>=20 >> kozmikreis >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 12 Jan 2012, at 06:27, kalsa wrote: >>=20 >>> coi >>> is there any talk of making a lojbanic/lojban beginners ipod app? apps = like flashcardlet are good for studying words, but i was thinking maybe a m= ore lojban specific app would help for people who are already wanting to le= arn, getting to look at it on the go, or maybe to hear spoken lojban, or m= aybe just to make it more accessible to a wider variety of people. Just a t= hought.=20 >>> co'o >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --Apple-Mail=_6A34F6D2-9832-4440-824E-BE04970CCDC7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Those were very much my th= oughts too - that porting a regularly updated open source formatted book in= to a proprietary format was going to be awfully tough to keep up with. &nbs= p;However, unlike apps, I think iBooks are static once published.  Aut= hors don't push out a v1.x update after the fact.  With this in mind i= t's probably still worth forking the next stable CLL major version and port= ing it, perhaps even embedding an errata section by use of a web view that = points back to the github repo in case of any major boo-boos.

kozmikreis



On 24 = Jan 2012, at 02:44, Joshua Proehl wrote:

I was just looking into the idea of cr= eating a CLL iBook as well!
The problem that I see is that iBooks Autho= r doesn't appear to play very nicely with the idea of streaming data in fro= m other files. Which means that it's not really possible to script "convert= the source files into an iBook", but rather each change made to the source= files would have to be manually made to the iBook as well. Which is going = to rapidly become painful. Further looking into is required however, as it = would be a truly incredible platform to use.

----
Josh
_____________________
Instead of our drab slogging f= orth and back to the fishing boats, there's a reason to life! We can lift o= urselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence= and intelligence and skill. We can be free! We can learn to fly!

=97 Richard Bach, 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull,' 1970.




On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:11, kozmikrei= s <kozmikr= eis@lojban.org.uk> wrote:
I look forward to trying that out,= please let us know when it's available.  It'll be good when there's f= inally a Lojban-specific app in the iTunes Store :-)

Regarding my conlanger meet-up app idea, I retain no rights to t= he idea should you or anyone else wants to implement it either solo or as a= collaboration.

On a slightly related note, there'= s now a free iBooks Author app in the Mac App Store for authoring rich cont= ent books for iPad consumption.  It looks ideal for creating and shari= ng educational textbooks.  The CLL as an iBook would be a good place t= o start, once the latest changes to it have been completed - thoughts anyon= e?

kozmikre= is



<= div>
On 22 Jan 2012, at 09:13, aryrain laubels wrote:

I have written a Lojban Dictionary in pure Objective C, I am currently wait= ing for approval. I finished it a week or so ago but posted it today. But s= ome other applications would be interesting.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM, kozmikreis <kozmikreis@lojban.or= g.uk> wrote:
[repost, original seems to have be= en lost to the aether]

I've got an Apple iOS Developer = account and would be happy to have a hand in writing a Lojban app for iOS (= and Android if I can get the damn SDK and toolset stable), it's just I have= n't thought of an app idea that has anything better to it than those that a= lready exist.

My dev language of choice would probably be the JavaScript variant from= Appcelerator, not that it's anything amazing, but it can compile to multip= le platforms and takes away some of the suckage of Objective C.

One idea I had was perhaps a meet-up app for conlangers in general, whe= reby you tick the list of languages you speak or are learning to speak and = perhaps your level of proficiency, and let it run in the background occasio= nally checking your location in to a central server.  When someone els= e with a matching conlang interest is nearby the phone can alert you so you= can meet up and say coi.  Might be good for finding people to practic= e with?

kozmikreis


On 12 Jan 2012, at 06:27, kalsa wrote:

coi
is there any talk of making a lojbanic/lojban beginners = ipod app? apps like flashcardlet are good for studying words, but i was thi= nking maybe a more lojban specific app would help for people who are alread= y wanting to learn, getting to  look at it on the go, or maybe to hear= spoken lojban, or maybe just to make it more accessible to a wider&nb= sp;variety of people. Just a thought. 
co'o


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