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[212.227.126.187]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g43si6113976eea.0.2012.01.27.14.26.44; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:26:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 212.227.126.187 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk) client-ip=212.227.126.187; Received: from [192.168.0.7] (82-71-48-121.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.71.48.121]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LejPS-1SOa2n0fCo-00pquY; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:26:43 +0100 From: kozmikreis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] iOS/Android app? Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:26:41 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <17420344.123.1326349669489.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcb25> <57CDF052-0498-43F6-9B02-80622D00E054@lojban.org.uk> <796CDD9E-0B54-45CA-B1FA-55A25259411E@lojban.org.uk> Message-Id: <6DC8CD59-4380-46DE-8223-65FCA6B99131@lojban.org.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:oKqDKSi13GFg0H0yCMt9sxAJyLZC7QCP0ROffMvgmPf mmq850lGsmOaYmzjI5kXIlflYK84rstkU4XiC4LrSm22uI2KOo bkGDxj4S0Mdyx881x48lLMsVV2bHVrShTWzTHlb+Jt+y8s/IVW UeHFUBbcz7u6oF/NmoougchgTcsUZCdgMgJVm78qL4erOXS6LC 7QnOhMuvkUYlmNbu2IDL/iMiI330QtXVGOlg4oinyW5snpEdgO jUrohbKYfxqs2AaJ8YS0tOmkkSaZz+WPA4StIED2/MVG+oo5tm eJZ+ZU5Op7mVn8RW2ngnYcAWyDwSSNT8fjOEuQ/6uaSBY3fgQk Ne+96TBcGWN+NjXPnus6wMeKzANg2v1uXKlrK/gHAmZhMIeq/g z6lmaxbaZCktw== X-Original-Sender: kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 212.227.126.187 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk) smtp.mail=kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_639BACEF-3F40-4083-B612-F4E50D7751DA" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --Apple-Mail=_639BACEF-3F40-4083-B612-F4E50D7751DA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 That is true, but is missing the point of the additional richness the propr= ietary iBook format allows for such as interactive multiple-choice question= s, audio clips, video clips, and other learning aids that might be attracti= ve in an enhanced version of the CLL :-) kozmikreis On 27 Jan 2012, at 21:32, Aaron Hawryluk wrote: > Or, if there's an html version in existence, it could just be ported to .= epub with Calibre... >=20 > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II X. >=20 > On Jan 27, 2012 6:50 AM, "CosmicRay" wrote: > Those were very much my thoughts too - that porting a regularly updated o= pen source formatted book into a proprietary format was going to be awfully= tough to keep up with. However, unlike apps, I think iBooks are static on= ce published. Authors don't push out a v1.x update after the fact. With t= his in mind it's probably still worth forking the next stable CLL major ver= sion and porting it, perhaps even embedding an errata section by use of a w= eb view that points back to the github repo in case of any major boo-boos. >=20 > kozmikreis >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 24 Jan 2012, at 02:44, Joshua Proehl wrote: >=20 >> I was just looking into the idea of creating a CLL iBook as well!=20 >> The problem that I see is that iBooks Author doesn't appear to play very= nicely with the idea of streaming data in from other files. Which means th= at it's not really possible to script "convert the source files into an iBo= ok", but rather each change made to the source files would have to be manua= lly made to the iBook as well. Which is going to rapidly become painful. Fu= rther looking into is required however, as it would be a truly incredible p= latform to use. >>=20 >> ---- >> Josh >> _____________________ >> Instead of our drab slogging forth and back to the fishing boats, there'= s a reason to life! We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find our= selves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be fre= e! We can learn to fly! >>=20 >> =97 Richard Bach, 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull,' 1970. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:11, kozmikreis wro= te: >> I look forward to trying that out, please let us know when it's availabl= e. It'll be good when there's finally a Lojban-specific app in the iTunes = Store :-) >>=20 >> Regarding my conlanger meet-up app idea, I retain no rights to the idea = should you or anyone else wants to implement it either solo or as a collabo= ration. >>=20 >> On a slightly related note, there's now a free iBooks Author app in the = Mac App Store for authoring rich content books for iPad consumption. It lo= oks ideal for creating and sharing educational textbooks. The CLL as an iB= ook would be a good place to start, once the latest changes to it have been= completed - thoughts anyone? >>=20 >> kozmikreis >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 22 Jan 2012, at 09:13, aryrain laubels wrote: >>=20 >>> I have written a Lojban Dictionary in pure Objective C, I am currently = waiting for approval. I finished it a week or so ago but posted it today. B= ut some other applications would be interesting. >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM, kozmikreis = wrote: >>> [repost, original seems to have been lost to the aether] >>>=20 >>> I've got an Apple iOS Developer account and would be happy to have a ha= nd in writing a Lojban app for iOS (and Android if I can get the damn SDK a= nd toolset stable), it's just I haven't thought of an app idea that has any= thing better to it than those that already exist. >>>=20 >>> My dev language of choice would probably be the JavaScript variant from= Appcelerator, not that it's anything amazing, but it can compile to multip= le platforms and takes away some of the suckage of Objective C. >>>=20 >>> One idea I had was perhaps a meet-up app for conlangers in general, whe= reby you tick the list of languages you speak or are learning to speak and = perhaps your level of proficiency, and let it run in the background occasio= nally checking your location in to a central server. When someone else wit= h a matching conlang interest is nearby the phone can alert you so you can = meet up and say coi. Might be good for finding people to practice with? >>>=20 >>> kozmikreis >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 12 Jan 2012, at 06:27, kalsa wrote: >>>=20 >>>> coi >>>> is there any talk of making a lojbanic/lojban beginners ipod app? apps= like flashcardlet are good for studying words, but i was thinking maybe a = more lojban specific app would help for people who are already wanting to l= earn, getting to look at it on the go, or maybe to hear spoken lojban, or = maybe just to make it more accessible to a wider variety of people. Just a = thought.=20 >>>> co'o >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscri= be@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/loj= ban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscri= be@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/loj= ban-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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That is true, but is = missing the point of the additional richness the proprietary iBook format a= llows for such as interactive multiple-choice questions, audio clips, video= clips, and other learning aids that might be attractive in an enhanced ver= sion of the CLL :-)

kozmikreis



On 27 Jan 2012, at 21:32, Aaron Hawryluk wrot= e:

<= p>Or, if there's an html version in existence, it could just be ported to .= epub with Calibre...

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II X.

On Jan 27, 2012 6:50 AM, "CosmicRay" <cr@cosmicray.co.uk> wrote:
Those were very much my thoughts too - = that porting a regularly updated open source formatted book into a propriet= ary format was going to be awfully tough to keep up with.  However, un= like apps, I think iBooks are static once published.  Authors don't pu= sh out a v1.x update after the fact.  With this in mind it's probably = still worth forking the next stable CLL major version and porting it, perha= ps even embedding an errata section by use of a web view that points back t= o the github repo in case of any major boo-boos.

kozmikreis



On 24 Jan 2012, at 02:44, Joshua Proehl wrote:

I was just looking into the idea of creating a CLL iBook as well!=
The problem that I see is that iBooks Author doesn't appear to play very ni= cely with the idea of streaming data in from other files. Which means that = it's not really possible to script "convert the source files into an iBook"= , but rather each change made to the source files would have to be manually= made to the iBook as well. Which is going to rapidly become painful. Furth= er looking into is required however, as it would be a truly incredible plat= form to use.

----
Josh
_____________________
Instead of our drab slogging f= orth and back to the fishing boats, there's a reason to life! We can lift o= urselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence= and intelligence and skill. We can be free! We can learn to fly!

=97 Richard Bach, 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull,' 1970.




On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:11, kozmikrei= s <kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk> wrote:
I look forward to trying that out,= please let us know when it's available.  It'll be good when there's f= inally a Lojban-specific app in the iTunes Store :-)

Regarding my conlanger meet-up app idea, I retain no rights to t= he idea should you or anyone else wants to implement it either solo or as a= collaboration.

On a slightly related note, there'= s now a free iBooks Author app in the Mac App Store for authoring rich cont= ent books for iPad consumption.  It looks ideal for creating and shari= ng educational textbooks.  The CLL as an iBook would be a good place t= o start, once the latest changes to it have been completed - thoughts anyon= e?

kozmikreis



On 22 Jan 2012, at 09= :13, aryrain laubels wrote:

I have written a Lojban Dictionary in pure Objective C, I am currently wait= ing for approval. I finished it a week or so ago but posted it today. But s= ome other applications would be interesting.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM, kozmikreis <kozmikreis@lojban.or= g.uk> wrote:
[repost, original seems to have be= en lost to the aether]

I've got an Apple iOS Developer = account and would be happy to have a hand in writing a Lojban app for iOS (= and Android if I can get the damn SDK and toolset stable), it's just I have= n't thought of an app idea that has anything better to it than those that a= lready exist.

My dev language of choice would probably be the JavaScript variant from= Appcelerator, not that it's anything amazing, but it can compile to multip= le platforms and takes away some of the suckage of Objective C.

One idea I had was perhaps a meet-up app for conlangers in general, whe= reby you tick the list of languages you speak or are learning to speak and = perhaps your level of proficiency, and let it run in the background occasio= nally checking your location in to a central server.  When someone els= e with a matching conlang interest is nearby the phone can alert you so you= can meet up and say coi.  Might be good for finding people to practic= e with?

kozmikreis


On 12 Jan 2012, at 06:27, kalsa wrote:

coi
is there any talk of making a lojbanic/lojban beginners = ipod app? apps like flashcardlet are good for studying words, but i was thi= nking maybe a more lojban specific app would help for people who are alread= y wanting to learn, getting to  look at it on the go, or maybe to hear= spoken lojban, or maybe just to make it more accessible to a wider&nb= sp;variety of people. Just a thought. 
co'o


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