Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:51018) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rqvsb-0001Qt-Cc; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:11:00 -0800 Received: by bkaq10 with SMTP id q10sf1710180bka.16 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:10:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=b0UmybUQn23y0NYjkWm1/3PmvvjUeNmVDvOCTOwDjKk=; b=Q8h+DwgzS4DcuvZoBekzeaIZlpo/GUr48rVGBhFoqxb627VlVQVJV05uW/USXV5Uz/ n7uRHbixBNgCR2lQt6Wrfa5swaSbsps4nS3peL3NI7O0J4P/kKul73wTTaszWr2IZiV0 Iptj5cXfpRP0UuprZdpWpbEj0k2TcUwaPw/Hg= Received: by 10.204.130.219 with SMTP id u27mr630144bks.20.1327709425482; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:10:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.155.76 with SMTP id r12ls9427882bkw.3.gmail; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.127.3 with SMTP id gy3mr798813bkc.1.1327709424337; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.127.3 with SMTP id gy3mr798812bkc.1.1327709424306; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f42.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20si10801685bko.3.2012.01.27.16.10.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.42; Received: by lahg1 with SMTP id g1so1329470lah.15 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:10:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.147.1 with SMTP id tg1mr4629418lab.22.1327709423843; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:10:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6DC8CD59-4380-46DE-8223-65FCA6B99131@lojban.org.uk> References: <17420344.123.1326349669489.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcb25> <57CDF052-0498-43F6-9B02-80622D00E054@lojban.org.uk> <796CDD9E-0B54-45CA-B1FA-55A25259411E@lojban.org.uk> <6DC8CD59-4380-46DE-8223-65FCA6B99131@lojban.org.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:10:23 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] iOS/Android app? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f23517792b9c804b78b702a X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f23517792b9c804b78b702a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not to mention the proprietary nature of the format that automatically excludes anyone without an iPad, iPod Touch, or iPhone. On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:26 PM, kozmikreis wrote= : > That is true, but is missing the point of the additional richness the > proprietary iBook format allows for such as interactive multiple-choice > questions, audio clips, video clips, and other learning aids that might b= e > attractive in an enhanced version of the CLL :-) > > kozmikreis > > > > On 27 Jan 2012, at 21:32, Aaron Hawryluk wrote: > > Or, if there's an html version in existence, it could just be ported to > .epub with Calibre... > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II X. > On Jan 27, 2012 6:50 AM, "CosmicRay" wrote: > >> Those were very much my thoughts too - that porting a regularly updated >> open source formatted book into a proprietary format was going to be >> awfully tough to keep up with. However, unlike apps, I think iBooks are >> static once published. Authors don't push out a v1.x update after the >> fact. With this in mind it's probably still worth forking the next stab= le >> CLL major version and porting it, perhaps even embedding an errata secti= on >> by use of a web view that points back to the github repo in case of any >> major boo-boos. >> >> kozmikreis >> >> >> >> On 24 Jan 2012, at 02:44, Joshua Proehl wrote: >> >> I was just looking into the idea of creating a CLL iBook as well! >> The problem that I see is that iBooks Author doesn't appear to play very >> nicely with the idea of streaming data in from other files. Which means >> that it's not really possible to script "convert the source files into a= n >> iBook", but rather each change made to the source files would have to be >> manually made to the iBook as well. Which is going to rapidly become >> painful. Further looking into is required however, as it would be a trul= y >> incredible platform to use. >> >> ---- >> Josh >> _____________________ >> Instead of our drab slogging forth and back to the fishing boats, there'= s >> a reason to life! We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find >> ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can = be >> free! We can learn to fly! >> >> =97 Richard Bach, 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull,' 1970. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:11, kozmikreis wrot= e: >> >>> I look forward to trying that out, please let us know when it's >>> available. It'll be good when there's finally a Lojban-specific app in= the >>> iTunes Store :-) >>> >>> Regarding my conlanger meet-up app idea, I retain no rights to the idea >>> should you or anyone else wants to implement it either solo or as a >>> collaboration. >>> >>> On a slightly related note, there's now a free iBooks Author app in the >>> Mac App Store for authoring rich content books for iPad consumption. I= t >>> looks ideal for creating and sharing educational textbooks. The CLL as= an >>> iBook would be a good place to start, once the latest changes to it hav= e >>> been completed - thoughts anyone? >>> >>> kozmikreis >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 Jan 2012, at 09:13, aryrain laubels wrote: >>> >>> I have written a Lojban Dictionary in pure Objective C, I am currently >>> waiting for approval. I finished it a week or so ago but posted it toda= y. >>> But some other applications would be interesting. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM, kozmikreis w= rote: >>> >>>> [repost, original seems to have been lost to the aether] >>>> >>>> I've got an Apple iOS Developer account and would be happy to have a >>>> hand in writing a Lojban app for iOS (and Android if I can get the dam= n SDK >>>> and toolset stable), it's just I haven't thought of an app idea that h= as >>>> anything better to it than those that already exist. >>>> >>>> My dev language of choice would probably be the JavaScript variant fro= m >>>> Appcelerator, not that it's anything amazing, but it can compile to >>>> multiple platforms and takes away some of the suckage of Objective C. >>>> >>>> One idea I had was perhaps a meet-up app for conlangers in general, >>>> whereby you tick the list of languages you speak or are learning to sp= eak >>>> and perhaps your level of proficiency, and let it run in the backgroun= d >>>> occasionally checking your location in to a central server. When some= one >>>> else with a matching conlang interest is nearby the phone can alert yo= u so >>>> you can meet up and say coi. Might be good for finding people to prac= tice >>>> with? >>>> >>>> kozmikreis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12 Jan 2012, at 06:27, kalsa wrote: >>>> >>>> coi >>>> is there any talk of making a lojbanic/lojban beginners ipod app? apps >>>> like flashcardlet are good for studying words, but i was thinking mayb= e a >>>> more lojban specific app would help for people who are already wanting= to >>>> learn, getting to look at it on the go, or maybe to hear spoken lojba= n, or >>>> maybe just to make it more accessible to a wider variety of people. Ju= st a >>>> thought. >>>> co'o >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --e89a8f23517792b9c804b78b702a Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not to mention the proprietary nature of the format that automatically excl= udes anyone without an iPad, iPod Touch, or iPhone.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:26 PM, kozmikreis &l= t;kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk&= gt; wrote:
Tha= t is true, but is missing the point of the additional richness the propriet= ary iBook format allows for such as interactive multiple-choice questions, = audio clips, video clips, and other learning aids that might be attractive = in an enhanced version of the CLL :-)

kozmikreis



On 27= Jan 2012, at 21:32, Aaron Hawryluk wrote:

Or, if there's an html version in existence, it could just be ported= to .epub with Calibre...

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II X.

On Jan 27, 2012 6:50 AM, "CosmicRay" &= lt;cr@cosmicray.co.= uk> wrote:
Those were very much my thoughts too - = that porting a regularly updated open source formatted book into a propriet= ary format was going to be awfully tough to keep up with. =A0However, unlik= e apps, I think iBooks are static once published. =A0Authors don't push= out a v1.x update after the fact. =A0With this in mind it's probably s= till worth forking the next stable CLL major version and porting it, perhap= s even embedding an errata section by use of a web view that points back to= the github repo in case of any major boo-boos.

kozmikreis



On 24 Jan 2012, at 02:44, Joshua Proehl wrote:

I was just looking into the idea of creating a CLL iBook as well!=
The problem that I see is that iBooks Author doesn't appear to play ver= y nicely with the idea of streaming data in from other files. Which means t= hat it's not really possible to script "convert the source files i= nto an iBook", but rather each change made to the source files would h= ave to be manually made to the iBook as well. Which is going to rapidly bec= ome painful. Further looking into is required however, as it would be a tru= ly incredible platform to use.

----
Josh
_____________________
Instead of our drab slogging f= orth and back to the fishing boats, there's a reason to life! We can li= ft ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excell= ence and intelligence and skill. We can be free! We can learn to fly!

=97 Richard Bach, 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull,' 1970.

<= br>

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:11, kozmikrei= s <kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk> wrote:
I look forward to trying that out,= please let us know when it's available. =A0It'll be good when ther= e's finally a Lojban-specific app in the iTunes Store :-)
Regarding my conlanger meet-up app idea, I retain no rights to t= he idea should you or anyone else wants to implement it either solo or as a= collaboration.

On a slightly related note, there&= #39;s now a free iBooks Author app in the Mac App Store for authoring rich = content books for iPad consumption. =A0It looks ideal for creating and shar= ing educational textbooks. =A0The CLL as an iBook would be a good place to = start, once the latest changes to it have been completed - thoughts anyone?=

kozmikreis



On 22 Jan 2012, at 09= :13, aryrain laubels wrote:

I have written a Lojban Dictionary in pure Objective C, I am currently wait= ing for approval. I finished it a week or so ago but posted it today. But s= ome other applications would be interesting.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM, kozmikreis <kozmikreis@lojban.or= g.uk> wrote:
[repost, original seems to have be= en lost to the aether]

I've got an Apple iOS Develo= per account and would be happy to have a hand in writing a Lojban app for i= OS (and Android if I can get the damn SDK and toolset stable), it's jus= t I haven't thought of an app idea that has anything better to it than = those that already exist.

My dev language of choice would probably be the JavaScript variant from= Appcelerator, not that it's anything amazing, but it can compile to mu= ltiple platforms and takes away some of the suckage of Objective C.

One idea I had was perhaps a meet-up app for conlangers in general, whe= reby you tick the list of languages you speak or are learning to speak and = perhaps your level of proficiency, and let it run in the background occasio= nally checking your location in to a central server. =A0When someone else w= ith a matching conlang interest is nearby the phone can alert you so you ca= n meet up and say coi. =A0Might be good for finding people to practice with= ?

kozmikreis


On 12 Jan 2012, at 06:27, kalsa wrote:

coi
is there any talk of making a lojbanic/lojban beginners = ipod app? apps like flashcardlet are good for studying words, but i was thi= nking maybe a more lojban specific app would help for people who are alread= y wanting to learn, getting to =A0look at it on the go, or maybe to hear sp= oken lojban, or maybe just to make it more=A0accessible to a wider=A0variet= y=A0of people. Just a thought.=A0
co'o
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