Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:41526) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RsNKL-0006L2-Aj; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:41:34 -0800 Received: by wera13 with SMTP id a13sf1179754wer.16 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:41:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4suPWu5oJzlVc4lTxyTRQOdxti0cQ0TTNzLuJR+ejo4=; b=jM5KcY9mvDIKbAHOzZg4HcLMHSe8ys/BsJpiQtNX8GY4XG8zIYUc1MCblaifj3LSPb dDmFUgrrfdUb23UtOihKq9YKy583wE6Rck3Go3kap3oyhE819akeReHAgBNAOkFW4UH8 sJR/8FA1oEYkGymMBxHwjHb35/QO7W4Z9ifu8= Received: by 10.216.131.32 with SMTP id l32mr245542wei.34.1328053266677; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:41:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.124.11 with SMTP id me11ls3922527wib.0.canary; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.105.41 with SMTP id gj9mr3766550wib.0.1328053265237; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.198.134 with SMTP id v6mswen; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.155.75 with SMTP id r11mr2521433bkw.7.1328047509209; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.155.75 with SMTP id r11mr2521432bkw.7.1328047509178; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m020-f179.google.com (mail-lpp01m020-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20si27198193bko.3.2012.01.31.14.05.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of aryrain@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.179; Received: by lbbge1 with SMTP id ge1so68604lbb.10 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:05:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.99.3 with SMTP id em3mr3905018lbb.74.1328047508723; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:05:08 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.112.99.74 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:05:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2A91DFF9-E6FD-4977-ABC5-FF2311EEEAED@gmail.com> References: <17420344.123.1326349669489.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcb25> <57CDF052-0498-43F6-9B02-80622D00E054@lojban.org.uk> <796CDD9E-0B54-45CA-B1FA-55A25259411E@lojban.org.uk> <6DC8CD59-4380-46DE-8223-65FCA6B99131@lojban.org.uk> <4E295493-4756-49B0-80B5-8BA6AC86E133@lojban.org.uk> <242187F9-47CB-4C7C-BCA5-8E11638CB452@cosmicray.co.uk> <2A91DFF9-E6FD-4977-ABC5-FF2311EEEAED@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:05:08 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] iOS/Android app? From: aryrain laubels To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: arran4@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of aryrain@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=aryrain@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016a1900995b04b7da28ac X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04016a1900995b04b7da28ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lookup just looks for the English word or Lojban word, there is also meant to be a lujvo parser there but I don't think it's "ready" for use. (Anyone care to help me with Ragel?) While keyword search does a search on most of the contents, it's basically an index search, it only supports and (implicitly) at the moment. Text search is basically a simple grep on the rasfi and gismu text files, I included it as people like to search for exact phrases ect, however as I don't have an iPhone I couldn't test if there were any bundling* problems. I wouldn't mind adding a jbovlaste and jbofi'e option to it, but those would be a simple web lookup. I am a little worried about speed, I made the application using the "coredata" system, which is a wrapper around Sqlite, with a bit of extras which I think apple added for speed. However I think it just bloats the sql file and I am thinking of adding a Selma'o explorer and some other things like that but I would really like a list of descriptions for the selma'o before I do that. Also, I have said this before on g+, but the TXT format is getting really tiresome. :P I say XML with compilers to make it human readable. :P Which will allow us to put more "value add" features like examples and more gloss words. Do you have a suggestion as to what I should use for the search button? I thought that as well but was sort of at a loss on what I could do. * Seems it's apples name for something like the Slackware model package. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Paul wrote: > Wahoo! Just installed it on iOS 5.0.1 (9A405) on an iPhone 4. > > The "Lookup" and "Keyword" searches are OK (no indication what the > difference is) but the "Text search" feature doesn't seem to work, and the > search button being a little arrow in the main screen's title is > unintuitive, other than that it's a great start and I like it, thanks :-) > > kozmikreis > > -- > Sent from my iPhone > > On 30 Jan 2012, at 22:00, aryrain laubels wrote: > > FYI it is up in the app store. I don't actually own an iPhone so let me > know if it works or if there is any problems: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/lojban-dictionary/id497206602?ls=1&mt=8 > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 10:54 PM, CosmicRay wrote: > >> I'd like to see an enhanced version (see my message of a few minutes >> ago), but preferably not at the cost of other formats losing out, we'd want >> to retain maximum compatibility and accessibility across all formats. >> >> You are correct the CLL can be exported to PDF which can be read by iPads >> etc. The best case I can see for using the iBooks format is not so much >> the special features but being able to publish it to and therefore the >> visibility and searchability of the CLL within the iTunes and iBooks >> stores. This allows for the less technically adept to find and download >> the content as well as share bookmarks across devices and whatever else >> that a PDF alone doesn't. >> >> The same should be done for other open and closed book stores in my >> opinion :-) >> >> kozmikreis >> >> >> >> On 28 Jan 2012, at 11:34, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >> > I was addressing specifically the things you were talking about /adding >> to/ the proposed iBook (the "interactive multiple-choice questions, audio >> clips, video clips, and other learning aids") that would /not/ be available >> in any other format. >> > >> > iPads can read pdfs. The CLL can be exported to pdf (IIRC). If you're >> not wanting to use the "special" featuresof iBooks, there's no need to make >> an iBook CLL. If you are, then you're making something that will /not/ be >> available by any other means. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d04016a1900995b04b7da28ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lookup just looks for the English word or Lojban word, there is also meant = to be a lujvo parser there but I don't think it's "ready"= for use. (Anyone care to help me with Ragel?)
While keyword search doe= s a search on most of the contents, it's basically an index search, it = only supports and (implicitly) at the moment.
Text search is basically a simple grep on the rasfi and gismu text fil= es, I included it as people like to search for exact phrases ect, however a= s I don't have an iPhone I couldn't test if there were any bundling= * problems.
I wouldn't mind adding a jbovlaste and jbofi'e option to it, b= ut those would be a simple web lookup.

I am a litt= le worried about speed, I made the application using the "coredata&quo= t; system, which is a wrapper around Sqlite, with a bit of extras which I t= hink apple added for speed. However I think it just bloats the sql file and= =A0

I am thinking of adding a Selma'o explorer and some= other things like that but I would really like a list of descriptions for = the selma'o before I do that. Also, I have said this before on g+, but = the TXT format is getting really tiresome. :P I say XML with compilers to m= ake it human readable. :P Which will allow us to put more "value add&q= uot; features like examples and more gloss words.

Do you have a suggestion as to what I should use for th= e search button? I thought that as well but was sort of at a loss on what I= could do.

* Seems it's apples name for someth= ing like the Slackware model package.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Paul <mrpauw@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Wahoo! =A0Just installed it on iOS 5.0.1 (9A4= 05) on an iPhone 4.

The "Lookup" and &qu= ot;Keyword" searches are OK (no indication what the difference is) but= the "Text search" feature doesn't seem to work, and the sear= ch button being a little arrow in the main screen's title is unintuitiv= e, other than that it's a great start and I like it, thanks :-)

kozmikreis

-= -
Sent from my iPhone
<= br>On 30 Jan 2012, at 22:00, aryrain laubels <aryrain@gmail.com> wrote:

FYI it is up in the app= store. I don't actually own an iPhone so let me know if it works or if= there is any problems:

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Cosmi= cRay <cr@cosmicray.co.uk> wrote:
I'd like to see an enhanced version (see my message of a few minutes ag= o), but preferably not at the cost of other formats losing out, we'd wa= nt to retain maximum compatibility and accessibility across all formats.
You are correct the CLL can be exported to PDF which can be read by iPads e= tc. =A0The best case I can see for using the iBooks format is not so much t= he special features but being able to publish it to and therefore the visib= ility and searchability of the CLL within the iTunes and iBooks stores. =A0= This allows for the less technically adept to find and download the content= as well as share bookmarks across devices and whatever else that a PDF alo= ne doesn't.

The same should be done for other open and closed book stores in my opinion= :-)

kozmikreis



On 28 Jan 2012, at 11:34, Jonathan Jones wrote:

> I was addressing specifically the things you were talking about /addin= g to/ the proposed iBook (the "interactive multiple-choice questions, = audio clips, video clips, and other learning aids") that would /not/ b= e available in any other format.
>
> iPads can read pdfs. The CLL can be exported to pdf (IIRC). If you'= ;re not wanting to use the "special" featuresof iBooks, there'= ;s no need to make an iBook CLL. If you are, then you're making somethi= ng that will /not/ be available by any other means.

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