Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:54559) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S32Vs-0002o0-Be; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:41:34 -0800 Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12sf564941wib.16 for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:41:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCkiL36BBoEVfEhAA@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.153.10 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.153.10; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCkiL36BBoEVfEhAA@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.153.10 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCkiL36BBoEVfEhAA@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCkiL36BBoEVfEhAA@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.153.10]) by 10.204.153.10 with SMTP id i10mr1612028bkw.3.1330594877872 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:41:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qL5pSPAP70WlaDhwmkTMK+gTeBz0q41bLXa1Dht8em8=; b=Tpgh8ZiL/vYjjlOKBJC8SmKF8SR8f0Ybnrkg2+wMRPDgYqLrw6BXtShRMUIBJofEXC YugsviFDohU+3q8FqJScf5snz1U5r4+JZkym9RggrccjBdOUvig7v/J5G3EnoM3klyaT 8/WA4Ca6+zZKRzx+ufi8GoH8axvHy4B9qDqR4= Received: by 10.204.153.10 with SMTP id i10mr467093bkw.3.1330594852610; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:40:52 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.181.202 with SMTP id bz10ls1832330bkb.0.gmail; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.123.6 with SMTP id gi6mr342011bkc.5.1330594851681; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.123.6 with SMTP id gi6mr342010bkc.5.1330594851650; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l17si1667626bkb.1.2012.03.01.01.40.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.54; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com with SMTP id v3so589720lag.41 for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 10.112.101.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.101.194; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.112.101.194]) by 10.112.101.194 with SMTP id fi2mr1992598lbb.25.1330594851506 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:40:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.101.194 with SMTP id fi2mr1619335lbb.25.1330594851390; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 01:40:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 02:40:51 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] mi'a .e ko.e'u se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040169b57503f204ba2b410b X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d040169b57503f204ba2b410b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I nearly forgot. This is supposed to a be a group thing, so more than one person ought to be responding, as well. If the players are capable, I'm willing to skip past basic selbri and assume everyone's at least familiar with grammar as laid out in L4B or equivalent. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > As I said, the game is a learning one. Specifically, this game is designe= d > to teach someone a new language from nothing, learning words, grammar, et= c. > by playing the game. > > Basically, your answers were overly complicated. There's no rule that say= s > you can't use stuff that hasn't been introduced, but I'm betting that's > because it's not expected for the players to know anything that hasn't. > > In any case, the reason why {ko'a rokci} is the answer to {ko'a mo} is > because all you're expected to know is {.i ko'a goi ta rokci .i ko'e goi = ta > grana} > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd = wrote: > >> well, I see myself as a lojban beginner. I understand your reply, but I >> will not try to answer in lojban. I get your point to make things simple >> for beginners, but I don't really get the rules for this game. And if th= e >> content is pretty pointless, the whole thing seem pretty pointless, even >> for =E0 beginner as me. Sorry, for thinking too much. >> fa'omi'e jongausib >> >> Den torsdagen den 1:e mars 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones: >> >> > ti xe cilre nunkei .i do duspei .i ji'a le vi nunkei cu tese zu'edji r= o >> nintadni .i ku'inai lo bridi cu tese zu'edji lo sampu >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd < >> so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > .i go'e gi'e go'a .i .ienaidai lo grana jenai rokci ku me ko'a .o ko'e >> > >> > 2012/2/29 Jonathan Jones >> >> >> >> to .i ko'a je'a rokci toi >> >> >> >> .i xu ko'a grana >> >> .i xu ko'e rokci >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd < >> so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> .i je'a ko'a rokci gi'e me lo rokci .i je'a ko'e grana gi'e me lo >> grana .i ku'i ko'a mo ko'e >> >>> >> >>> Den tisdagen den 28:e februari 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones< >> eyeonus@gmail.com>: >> >>> > go'i najenai go'e .i ko'a rokci .i ko'a me lo rokci .i ko'e grana >> .i ko'e me lo grana >> >>> > >> >>> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd < >> so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > .i ko'a pe lo plini cu cmalu >> >>> > .i ku'i ko'e na'e go'i ni'i ma >> >>> > >> >>> > Den tisdagen den 28:e februari 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones< >> eyeonus@gmail.com>: >> >>> >> .i ko'a mo to ko'a me ma toi .i ko'e mo to ko'e me ma toi >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> lo se nunkei cu cmene lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u >> >>> >> >> >>> >> lo se skicu cu zvati zo'oi.http://lodockikumazvati.org >> >>> >> >> >>> >> .i ko'a mo .i ko'e mo >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd < >> so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> je'e .i o'anai.u'i >> >>> >> .i ma te ci'erkei ti .uanai >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Den m=E5ndagen den 27:e februari 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones< >> eyeonus@gmail.com>: >> >>> >>> lo'u le mi ko'e le'u na gendra .i.e'u ko cusku la'ede'u bau lo >> glibau >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd < >> so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> lo pagbu be lu'o ko'e si ko'a goi le rokci poi se pixra >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> 2012/2/27 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On 27 February 2012 08:51, Sebastian Fr=F6jd >> wrote: >> >>> >>>> .i ko'a se zbasu zi'o lo plini pagbu >> >>> >>>> .i o'a le mi ko'e cu vasru lo pagbu be lu'o ko'e >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> ki'a .i ma vasru >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> Ok, and then what? >> >>> >>>> mu'omi'e jongausib >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Den m=E5ndagen den 27:e februari 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones< >> eyeonus@gmail.com>: >> >>> >>>>> .i ko'a goi ta >> >>> >>>>> rokci< >> http://outdoordesignbylucas.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/1-10-11-charcter= -rocks.jpg >> > >> >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --f46d040169b57503f204ba2b410b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I nearly forgot. This is supposed to a be a group thing, so more than one p= erson ought to be responding, as well. If the players are capable, I'm = willing to skip past basic selbri and assume everyone's at least famili= ar with grammar as laid out in L4B or equivalent.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Jonathan Jon= es <eyeonus@gmail= .com> wrote:
As I said, the game is a learning one. Specifically, this game is designed = to teach someone a new language from nothing, learning words, grammar, etc.= by playing the game.

Basically, your answers were overly complicate= d. There's no rule that says you can't use stuff that hasn't be= en introduced, but I'm betting that's because it's not expected= for the players to know anything that hasn't.

In any case, the reason why {ko'a rokci} is the answer to {ko'a= mo} is because all you're expected to know is {.i ko'a goi ta rokc= i .i ko'e goi ta grana}


On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.c= om> wrote:
well, I see myself as a lojban beginner. I u= nderstand your reply, but I will not try to answer in lojban. I get your po= int to make things simple for beginners, but I don't really get the rul= es for this game. And if the content is pretty pointless, the whole thing s= eem pretty pointless, even for =E0 beginner as me. Sorry, for thinking too = much.
fa'omi'e jongausib

Den torsdagen den 1:e mars 2012 skrev Jon= athan Jones<eyeon= us@gmail.com>:

> ti xe cilre nunkei .i do= duspei .i ji'a le vi nunkei cu tese zu'edji ro nintadni .i ku'= inai lo bridi cu tese zu'edji lo sampu
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
>
> .i go'e gi'e go'a .i .ienaidai l= o grana jenai rokci ku me ko'a .o ko'e
>
> 2012/2/29 Jonathan Jones <
eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>
>> to = .i ko'a je'a rokci toi
>>
>> .i xu ko'a grana=
>> .i xu ko'e rokci
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <= ;so.cool.ogi@gma= il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> .i je'a ko'a = rokci gi'e me lo rokci .i je'a ko'e grana gi'e me lo grana = .i ku'i ko'a mo ko'e
>>>
>>> Den tisdagen den 28:e februari 2012 skrev Jona= than Jones<eyeonu= s@gmail.com>:
>>> > go'i najenai go'e .i ko&#= 39;a rokci .i ko'a me lo rokci .i ko'e grana .i ko'e me lo gran= a
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Seb= astian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>>= ; > .i ko'a pe lo plini cu cmalu
>>> > .i ku'i ko'e na'e go'i ni'i ma
>= ;>> >
>>> > Den tisdagen den 28:e februari 2012 skr= ev Jonathan Jones<eyeonus@gmail.com>:
>>> >> .i ko'a mo to ko'a me ma toi .i ko'e mo t= o ko'e me ma toi
>>> >>
>>> >> On M= on, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> lo se nunkei cu cmene lu lo = do ckiku ma zvati li'u
>>> >>
>>> >>= ; lo se skicu cu zvati zo'oi.http://lodockikumazvati.org
>>> >>
>>> >> .i ko'a mo .i ko'e m= o
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at= 2:08 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> je'e .i o'anai.u'= ;i
>>> >> .i ma te ci'erkei ti .uanai
>>>= >>
>>> >> Den m=E5ndagen den 27:e februari 2012 sk= rev Jonathan Jones<eyeonus@gmail.com>:
>>> >>> lo'u le mi ko'e le'u na gendra .i.e&#= 39;u ko cusku la'ede'u bau lo glibau
>>> >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Sebastian Fr= =F6jd <so.coo= l.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> lo pagbu be lu'o= ko'e si ko'a goi le rokci poi se pixra
>>> >>>= ;
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2012/2/27 Felip= e Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 27 February 2012 = 08:51, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>&= gt;> .i ko'a se zbasu zi'o lo plini pagbu
>>> >>>> .i o'a le mi ko'e cu vasru lo pagbu b= e lu'o ko'e
>>> >>>>
>>> >&g= t;>
>>> >>> ki'a .i ma vasru
>>> &g= t;>>
>>> >>>> Ok, and then what?
>>> >>&g= t;> mu'omi'e jongausib
>>> >>>>
>&= gt;> >>>> Den m=E5ndagen den 27:e februari 2012 skrev Jonath= an Jones<eyeonus@= gmail.com>:
>>> >>>>> .i ko'a goi ta
>>> >&g= t;>>> rokci<http://outdoo= rdesignbylucas.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/1-10-11-charcter-rocks.jpg&g= t;
>>> >>

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.i.e&#= 39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )




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