Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:51282) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S36y8-0006M1-Vy; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 06:27:01 -0800 Received: by vbbfd1 with SMTP id fd1sf534391vbb.16 for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 06:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCKOXn8wTEJCOvvoEGgRglhAp@googlegroups.com designates 10.224.180.205 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.224.180.205; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCKOXn8wTEJCOvvoEGgRglhAp@googlegroups.com designates 10.224.180.205 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban-beginners+bncCKOXn8wTEJCOvvoEGgRglhAp@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban-beginners+bncCKOXn8wTEJCOvvoEGgRglhAp@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.224.180.205]) by 10.224.180.205 with SMTP id bv13mr5293068qab.14.1330612009996 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 06:26:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CtpH/jv49VvAymI9ATjUYhuAJJqOhzq9s+XBwGcBHu8=; b=Ca5dyitZJ50hx0EXLTfjSr7ZFjC/cNLoVW9Rn7+2GjhsoD/8hipsKfk56jh5umjZGx 3cFZ3eMlL9avO9HSv/iyZViACKfNpogKF8oAhinr8nG2atpuUc1QPwr1dlc/IWWo9/3G FjJ+sCG0Jlol8ZkkybfCkejEeiR8tVVgi8vQM= Received: by 10.224.180.205 with SMTP id bv13mr1563827qab.14.1330611984757; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 06:26:24 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.187.71 with SMTP id cv7ls3300627qab.8.gmail; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 06:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.156.73 with SMTP id l49mr643316yhk.15.1330611983767; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 06:26:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 06:26:22 -0800 (PST) From: gleki To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <7352126.134.1330611982745.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynee13> In-Reply-To: <518381.107.1330536241270.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbai14> References: <785169.5280.1329990773298.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynkz21> <518381.107.1330536241270.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbai14> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: web-page as {seltidysfe} ({se tcidu sefta}) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_133_4077200.1330611982744" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_133_4077200.1330611982744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {papri} - x1 is a [physical] page/leaf of book/document/bound mass of pages x2. So it doesn't refer to page in general. On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:24:01 PM UTC+4, junpen wrote: > > coi la gleki > .i zoi zoi > > I call "page" in general for {papri} and a physical sheet of paper with a > written text for {bofpapri}. > > zoi > .i mi se ctuca fi di'u gi'e tugni fi ri > > .i mi'e la junpen mu'o > > Den torsdagen den 23:e februari 2012 kl. 18:52:53 UTC+9 skrev gleki: >> >> We had a discussion yesterday with one Russian guy interested in lojban. >> What we decided is that {kibypapri} is not what it's intended for. >> Our eye scans some surface and reads information from it. This is the >> most general definition of any written text or media embedded into it. >> A web-page is what can be called {kibro seltidysfe} as it may contain not >> only text and it can be not only two-dimensional (in future, perhaps). >> On the other hand {pelji seltidysfe} might be a good term for a sheet of >> paper with a written text. >> >> Note that {kibypapri} has two noticeable bugs. >> 1. it references to {papri} that can be only physical >> 2. we can say either {papri} or {kibypapri} but not "page" in general >> >> One more note. >> {ckupau} is a page of a book and therefore doesn't apply to web-pages >> which can be single. >> > > Den torsdagen den 23:e februari 2012 kl. 18:52:53 UTC+9 skrev gleki: >> >> We had a discussion yesterday with one Russian guy interested in lojban. >> What we decided is that {kibypapri} is not what it's intended for. >> Our eye scans some surface and reads information from it. This is the >> most general definition of any written text or media embedded into it. >> A web-page is what can be called {kibro seltidysfe} as it may contain not >> only text and it can be not only two-dimensional (in future, perhaps). >> On the other hand {pelji seltidysfe} might be a good term for a sheet of >> paper with a written text. >> >> Note that {kibypapri} has two noticeable bugs. >> 1. it references to {papri} that can be only physical >> 2. we can say either {papri} or {kibypapri} but not "page" in general >> >> One more note. >> {ckupau} is a page of a book and therefore doesn't apply to web-pages >> which can be single. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/-3AD0jlpk-sJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_133_4077200.1330611982744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {papri} - x1 is a [physical] page/leaf of book/document/bound mass of = pages x2.
So it doesn't refer to page in general.


On = Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:24:01 PM UTC+4, junpen wrote:
coi la gleki
.i zoi zoi
<= div>
I call "page" in general for {papri} and a physical sheet of pap= er with a written text for {bofpapri}.

zoi
.i mi se ctuca fi di'u gi'e tugni fi ri

.i mi'e la junpen mu'o

Den torsdagen den 23:e februari 2012= kl. 18:52:53 UTC+9 skrev gleki:
We = had a discussion yesterday with one Russian guy interested in lojban.
W= hat we decided is that {kibypapri} is not what it's intended for.
Our eye scans some surface and reads information from it. This is the most= general definition of any written text or media embedded into it.
A web-page is what can be called {kibro seltidysfe} as it may contain not= only text and it can be not only two-dimensional (in future, perhaps).
On the other hand {pelji seltidysfe} might be a good term for a shee= t of paper with a written text.

Note that {kibypap= ri} has two noticeable bugs.
1. it references to {papri} that can= be only physical
2. we can say either {papri} or {kibypapri} but= not "page" in general

One more note.
{c= kupau} is a page of a book and therefore doesn't apply to web-pages which c= an be single.

Den torsdagen den 23:e februari 201= 2 kl. 18:52:53 UTC+9 skrev gleki:
We= had a discussion yesterday with one Russian guy interested in lojban.
= What we decided is that {kibypapri} is not what it's intended for.
Our eye scans some surface and reads information from it. This is the mos= t general definition of any written text or media embedded into it.
A web-page is what can be called {kibro seltidysfe} as it may contain no= t only text and it can be not only two-dimensional (in future, perhaps).
On the other hand {pelji seltidysfe} might be a good term for a she= et of paper with a written text.

Note that {kibypa= pri} has two noticeable bugs.
1. it references to {papri} that ca= n be only physical
2. we can say either {papri} or {kibypapri} bu= t not "page" in general

One more note.
{= ckupau} is a page of a book and therefore doesn't apply to web-pages which = can be single.

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