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Any word can be extended metaphorically. stevo On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:26 AM, gleki wrote: > {papri} - x1 is a [physical] page/leaf of book/document/bound mass of > pages x2. > So it doesn't refer to page in general. > > > On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:24:01 PM UTC+4, junpen wrote: >> >> coi la gleki >> .i zoi zoi >> >> I call "page" in general for {papri} and a physical sheet of paper with a >> written text for {bofpapri}. >> >> zoi >> .i mi se ctuca fi di'u gi'e tugni fi ri >> >> .i mi'e la junpen mu'o >> >> Den torsdagen den 23:e februari 2012 kl. 18:52:53 UTC+9 skrev gleki: >>> >>> We had a discussion yesterday with one Russian guy interested in lojban. >>> What we decided is that {kibypapri} is not what it's intended for. >>> Our eye scans some surface and reads information from it. This is the >>> most general definition of any written text or media embedded into it. >>> A web-page is what can be called {kibro seltidysfe} as it may contain >>> not only text and it can be not only two-dimensional (in future, perhaps). >>> On the other hand {pelji seltidysfe} might be a good term for a sheet of >>> paper with a written text. >>> >>> Note that {kibypapri} has two noticeable bugs. >>> 1. it references to {papri} that can be only physical >>> 2. we can say either {papri} or {kibypapri} but not "page" in general >>> >>> One more note. >>> {ckupau} is a page of a book and therefore doesn't apply to web-pages >>> which can be single. >>> >> >> Den torsdagen den 23:e februari 2012 kl. 18:52:53 UTC+9 skrev gleki: >>> >>> We had a discussion yesterday with one Russian guy interested in lojban. >>> What we decided is that {kibypapri} is not what it's intended for. >>> Our eye scans some surface and reads information from it. This is the >>> most general definition of any written text or media embedded into it. >>> A web-page is what can be called {kibro seltidysfe} as it may contain >>> not only text and it can be not only two-dimensional (in future, perhaps). >>> On the other hand {pelji seltidysfe} might be a good term for a sheet of >>> paper with a written text. >>> >>> Note that {kibypapri} has two noticeable bugs. >>> 1. it references to {papri} that can be only physical >>> 2. we can say either {papri} or {kibypapri} but not "page" in general >>> >>> One more note. >>> {ckupau} is a page of a book and therefore doesn't apply to web-pages >>> which can be single. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/-3AD0jlpk-sJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d042dfea91b9aab04ba2f5d24 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This just seems wrong. Any word can be extended metaphorically.=A0

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stevo

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9= :26 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
{papri} -=A0x1 is a [physical] page/leaf of = book/document/bound mass of pages x2.
So it doesn't refer to page i= n general.


On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:24:01= PM UTC+4, junpen wrote:
coi la= gleki
.i zoi zoi

I call "page" in general=A0for {papri}=A0a= nd a physical sheet of paper with a written text for {bofpapri}.

zoi
.i mi se ctuca fi di'u gi'e tugni fi r= i

.i mi'e la junpen mu'o

= Den torsdagen den 23:e februari 2012 kl. 18:52:53 UTC+9 skrev gleki: We had a discussion yesterday with one Russian guy interested in lojban.What we decided is that {kibypapri} is not what it's intended for.
Our eye scans some surface and reads information from it. This is t= he most general definition of any written text or media embedded into it.
A web-page is what can be called {kibro seltidysfe} as it may contain = not only text and it can be not only two-dimensional (in future, perhaps).<= /div>
On the other hand {pelji seltidysfe} might be a good term for a s= heet of paper with a written text.

Note that {kibypapri} has two noticeable bugs.
1. it references to {papri} that can be only physical
2. we can= say either {papri} or {kibypapri} but not "page" in general

One more note.
{ckupau} is a page of a book a= nd therefore doesn't apply to web-pages which can be single.
<= /blockquote>
Den torsdagen den 23:e februari 2012 kl. 18:52:53 UTC+9 skr= ev gleki:
We had a discussion yesterday with one Russian guy interested in lojban.What we decided is that {kibypapri} is not what it's intended for.
Our eye scans some surface and reads information from it. This is t= he most general definition of any written text or media embedded into it.
A web-page is what can be called {kibro seltidysfe} as it may contain = not only text and it can be not only two-dimensional (in future, perhaps).<= /div>
On the other hand {pelji seltidysfe} might be a good term for a s= heet of paper with a written text.

Note that {kibypapri} has two noticeable bugs.
1. it references to {papri} that can be only physical
2. we can= say either {papri} or {kibypapri} but not "page" in general

One more note.
{ckupau} is a page of a book a= nd therefore doesn't apply to web-pages which can be single.
<= /blockquote>

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