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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I understand you're reasoning, but teaching wrong lojban to a beginner, especially when it can be avoided, seems like a bad idea. If you want to stick to {la}, then why not use {mi'e la. clalis} instead? 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Am 03.03.2012 00:54, schrieb Jonathan Jones: > I don't want to sound rude. > > That seems rather nit-picky. In my opinion it is always more important > that you're understood than that you are right. Especially in a > language where "What is that?" is {ta me ma} because {ta mo} is too vague. > > When I am speaking of you in Lojban, I refer to you as {la.mailz.}. I > think it would be more confusing to someone who has no knowledge of > Lojban to use {zo} in those places, which is correct, rather than > using {la}, which jbopre can understand. > > It's a pleasure to meet you. My name is .aionys. > mi.ui penmi.oinai do mi'e.aionys. > > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Miles Forster > wrote: > > You aren't called "someone called clalis", you're called "clalis". > {mi se cmene zo .clalis} > > Am 03.03.2012 00:15, schrieb Jonathan Jones: > > Okay, here's the first half translated. Someone else work on > the last half while I see what I can do with vectors. > > 1. coi > 2. mi se cmene la.clalis. > 3. ko'a goi la.djan. > 4. ko'a se cmene la.djan. > 5. cy: coi.djan. > 6. mi ninmu > 7. ko'a nanmu .i la.djan. nanmu > 8. cy: mi ninmu .i do nanmu > dy: mi nanmu .i do ninmu > 9. cy: ko'a nanmu > dy: ko'e ninmu > 10. mi zvati ti > 11. do zvati ta > 12. ko'i zvati tu > 13. mi .e do zvati ti .i mi'o zvati ti > 14. mi .e ko'i zvati ti .i mi'a zvati ti > 15. do .e ko'i zvati ta .i do'o zvati ta > 16. cy: mi se cmene la.clalis. .ije ko'a se cmene la.djan. .i > ma cmene do > sy:mi se cmene la.sam. > 17. cy: do ralte lo ta mo vau doi.sam. > sy: mi ralte lo sedyta'u > 18. ti me lo mi sedyta'u .i mi ralte lo mi sedyta'u di'o lo > xance .ik mi xanra'e lo mi sedyta'u > 19. cy: xu ta me lo do sedyta'u > sy: go'i .i ti me lo mi sedyta'u > 20. cy: do ralte lo ta mo vau doi.djan. > dy: mi ralte lo tankytu'u .i ti me lo mi tankytu'u > 21. ti me lo la.sam. sedyta'u .ije ti me lo la.djan. tankytu'u > 22. sy: ta mo doi.clalis. > 23. cy: ta gerku > sy: xu ta me lo do gerku > 24. nago'i .i ta na me lo mi gerku .i ta me lo la.djan. gerku > 25. sy: doi.djan. ma cmene lo do gerku > dy: cmene la.flyfis. > 26. dy: la.flyfis. dalpe'o mi > sy: xu la.clalis. ralte ji'a lo dalpe'o > 27. sy: go'i .i lo cy. dalpe'o na.ue gerku .i ri mlatu .i lo > mlatu cu se cmene la snime (I don't how to attach PU to UI, so > I left out "je" of "jiqje".) > 28. xu la snime cu mlatu .i sny. barda.iepei mlatu > 29. go'i .i la snime cu barda .i ri tcebra > 30. lo vi mlatu cu barda .i lo vu mlatu cu cmalu > 31. lo vi mlatu cu barda fi lo vu mlatu .i lo vu mlatu cu > cmalu fi lo vi mlatu > 32. sy: xu la.flyfis. barda gerku > cy: nago'i .i la.flyfis. barda najenai cmalu .i ri na'obra > 33. cmalu sedyta'u ... barda sedyta'u ... na'obra sedyta'u > 34. barda zdani ... cmalu zdani ... na'obra zdani > 35. sy: la.djan. zvati ma > cy: ri zvati tu > 36. sy: mi zvati ma > cy: do zvati ta vau doi.sam. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > /p4a ja ma%sam ni"dZwanja-\e ta %bja Z mu "karu/ > /bja "dZi:wan i kwa "ZwEja ta Z mu "karu/ > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. -- /p4a ja ma%sam ni"dZwanja-\e ta %bja Z mu "karu/ /bja "dZi:wan i kwa "ZwEja ta Z mu "karu/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --------------070600040707010402080202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I understand you're reasoning, but teaching wrong lojban to a beginner, especially when it can be avoided, seems like a bad idea. If you want to stick to {la}, then why not use {mi'e la. clalis} instead?

Am 03.03.2012 00:54, schrieb Jonathan Jones:
I don't want to sound rude.

That seems rather nit-picky. In my opinion it is always more important that you're understood than that you are right. Especially in a language where "What is that?" is {ta me ma} because {ta mo} is too vague.

When I am speaking of you in Lojban, I refer to you as {la.mailz.}. I think it would be more confusing to someone who has no knowledge of Lojban to use {zo} in those places, which is correct, rather than using {la}, which jbopre can understand.

It's a pleasure to meet you. My name is .aionys.
mi.ui penmi.oinai do mi'e.aionys.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Miles Forster <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:
You aren't called "someone called clalis", you're called "clalis".
{mi se cmene zo .clalis}

Am 03.03.2012 00:15, schrieb Jonathan Jones:
Okay, here's the first half translated. Someone else work on the last half while I see what I can do with vectors.

1. coi
2. mi se cmene la.clalis.
3. ko'a goi la.djan.
4. ko'a se cmene la.djan.
5. cy: coi.djan.
6. mi ninmu
7. ko'a nanmu .i la.djan. nanmu
8. cy: mi ninmu .i do nanmu
   dy: mi nanmu .i do ninmu
9. cy: ko'a nanmu
   dy: ko'e ninmu
10. mi zvati ti
11. do zvati ta
12. ko'i zvati tu
13. mi .e do zvati ti .i mi'o zvati ti
14. mi .e ko'i zvati ti .i mi'a zvati ti
15. do .e ko'i zvati ta .i do'o zvati ta
16. cy: mi se cmene la.clalis. .ije ko'a se cmene la.djan. .i ma cmene do
     sy:mi se cmene la.sam.
17. cy: do ralte lo ta mo vau doi.sam.
     sy: mi ralte lo sedyta'u
18. ti me lo mi sedyta'u .i mi ralte lo mi sedyta'u di'o lo xance .ik mi xanra'e lo mi sedyta'u
19. cy: xu ta me lo do sedyta'u
     sy: go'i .i ti me lo mi sedyta'u
20. cy: do ralte lo ta mo vau doi.djan.
     dy: mi ralte lo tankytu'u .i ti me lo mi tankytu'u
21. ti me lo la.sam. sedyta'u .ije ti me lo la.djan. tankytu'u
22. sy: ta mo doi.clalis.
23. cy: ta gerku
     sy: xu ta me lo do gerku
24. nago'i .i ta na me lo mi gerku .i ta me lo la.djan. gerku
25. sy: doi.djan. ma cmene lo do gerku
     dy: cmene la.flyfis.
26. dy: la.flyfis. dalpe'o mi
     sy: xu la.clalis. ralte ji'a lo dalpe'o
27. sy: go'i .i lo cy. dalpe'o na.ue gerku .i ri mlatu .i lo mlatu cu se cmene la snime (I don't how to attach PU to UI, so I left out "je" of "jiqje".)
28. xu la snime cu mlatu .i sny. barda.iepei mlatu
29. go'i .i la snime cu barda .i ri tcebra
30. lo vi mlatu cu barda .i lo vu mlatu cu cmalu
31. lo vi mlatu cu barda fi lo vu mlatu .i lo vu mlatu cu cmalu fi lo vi mlatu
32. sy: xu la.flyfis. barda gerku
     cy: nago'i .i la.flyfis. barda najenai cmalu .i ri na'obra
33. cmalu sedyta'u ... barda sedyta'u ... na'obra sedyta'u
34. barda zdani ... cmalu zdani ... na'obra zdani
35. sy: la.djan. zvati ma
     cy: ri zvati tu
36. sy: mi zvati ma
     cy: do zvati ta vau doi.sam.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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