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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 2012/3/3 Felipe Gonçalves Assis : > I suggest starting with > > 2. mi me la .clalis. Why not simply {mi'e la .clalis} ? BTW, {clalis} doesn't have the same sound of the orginal that is (if I understood correctly) roughly equivalent to the Chinese "Chen Li" I'd prefer {tcenlis} [...] Content analysis details: (2.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rdentato[at]gmail.com) -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.213.189 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FUZZY_CPILL BODY: Attempt to obfuscate words in spam 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 1.3 DRUGS_ERECTILE_OBFU Obfuscated reference to an erectile drug 2.2 DRUGS_ERECTILE Refers to an erectile drug 0.0 T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL To: misformatted and free email service 2012/3/3 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis : > I suggest starting with > > 2. mi me la .clalis. Why not simply {mi'e la .clalis} ? BTW, {clalis} doesn't have the same sound of the orginal that is (if I understood correctly) roughly equivalent to the Chinese "Chen Li" I'd prefer {tcenlis} > 3. ta me la .djan. This seems a good place to assign {ko'a} -> 3. ta goi ko'a me la .djan. > 4. zo .djan. cmene ta I would use the lujvo {selme'e} -> 4. ko'a selme'e zo .djan. This would avoid using {se}, I agree it's too early, the nintandi would not know about the relationship between {selme'e} and {cmene}, they would just guess it means "is named". > Also, I recommend using the ti-series in place of the ko'a-series. Not sure. I would prefer introducing {ko'a} and friends. > Using the latter while pointing can cause so much confusion... > > In 12 we may do > 12. lo prenu cu zvati tu My preference would be {vuku ko'e goi tu zvati} Using {tu} as zvati2 seems too prone to ambiguity. At least it should be {lovu} so that it is clear you're talking about "there yonder". remod --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.