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On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> >> 2) I know parallelism is important. That is why I made 2 and 3 paralle=
l.
> >> It is true, though, that pictures 2 and 4 are parallel.
> >
> > Which is precisely why the text should be parallel in #2 & #4.
>
> I agree one should preserve the orginal as much as possible but not
> without stretching Lojban.
>
> I English you say "My name is", in German you have a specific verb for
> this: "ich hei=DFe" while in French, Spanish and Italian you use the
> equivalent of "I call myself" ("je m'appel", "me llamo" and "mi
> chiamo"). What would you think if I would say "I call myself Remo"
> instead of "My name is Remo" just to be faithful to the original
> sentence? It wouldn't not be good English.
>
> > I disagree. ko'a - vo'u are Lojban's he, she, and it. Unlike most
> languages,
> > we get 8 of them, and they're all gender neutral. ko'a-vo'u aren't
> pointing
> > words, they refer to a specific entity, which may be explicitly made
> using
> > goi, or implicitly assigned from context.
>
> I disagree here. While I'm a great support of "meaning by context", on
> his own {ko'a} has no meaning and can't be used the same way the third
> person is used in English and other languages.
>
>
> >> > Yeah, I'm sticking with the translation that does have regard for th=
e
> >> > original, but thanks.
> >>
> >> Ok, but why?
> >
> > Because it has regard for the original, obviously.
>
> Which is fine as long the translation is proper Lojban.
>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">This debate is being moved to the main list.<br>=
<br>On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Remo Dentato <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:rdentato@gmail.com">rdentato@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:=
10 AM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt;&gt; 2) I know parallelism is important. That is why I made 2 and 3 par=
allel.<br>
&gt;&gt; It is true, though, that pictures 2 and 4 are parallel.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Which is precisely why the text should be parallel in #2 &amp; #4.<br>
<br>
</div>I agree one should preserve the orginal as much as possible but not<b=
r>
without stretching Lojban.<br>
<br>
I English you say &quot;My name is&quot;, in German you have a specific ver=
b for<br>
this: &quot;ich hei=DFe&quot; while in French, Spanish and Italian you use =
the<br>
equivalent of &quot;I call myself&quot; (&quot;je m&#39;appel&quot;, &quot;=
me llamo&quot; and &quot;mi<br>
chiamo&quot;). What would you think if I would say &quot;I call myself Remo=
&quot;<br>
instead of &quot;My name is Remo&quot; just to be faithful to the original<=
br>
sentence? It wouldn&#39;t not be good English.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; I disagree. ko&#39;a - vo&#39;u are Lojban&#39;s he, she, and it. Unli=
ke most languages,<br>
&gt; we get 8 of them, and they&#39;re all gender neutral. ko&#39;a-vo&#39;=
u aren&#39;t pointing<br>
&gt; words, they refer to a specific entity, which may be explicitly made u=
sing<br>
&gt; goi, or implicitly assigned from context.<br>
<br>
</div>I disagree here. While I&#39;m a great support of &quot;meaning by co=
ntext&quot;, on<br>
his own {ko&#39;a} has no meaning and can&#39;t be used the same way the th=
ird<br>
person is used in English and other languages.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Yeah, I&#39;m sticking with the translation that does have re=
gard for the<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; original, but thanks.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Ok, but why?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Because it has regard for the original, obviously.<br>
<br>
</div>Which is fine as long the translation is proper Lojban.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
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