Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:43685) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S3yXT-0001jI-D8; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:39:03 -0800 Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25sf2504109iah.16 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:38:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=u7DLlu6h5AkvY7u/5FeLYqCH3oumelyjnXwJRiHwBdE=; b=w033fGzobGSzHxWAsTN+DZQ0G97DKsqLJBuMs3UN6MduPIkNUWlGjyIXfFrSkQCik4 8F99CYggSkvIuhb7b8zNqoLtKqWPYlTa4tQKuIt5TgH3uETwGVB5HJmimXHENdr+DT5d EkY8qo2MiQF+95Y00437VSsRNzxtC4T0PLfaE= Received: by 10.50.180.225 with SMTP id dr1mr881662igc.6.1330817907091; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:38:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.208.69 with SMTP id mc5ls1601918igc.3.gmail; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.10.137 with SMTP id i9mr1931467igb.2.1330817906531; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.10.137 with SMTP id i9mr1931466igb.2.1330817906522; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f178.google.com (mail-iy0-f178.google.com [209.85.210.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dm4si3779307igb.2.2012.03.03.15.38.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.178; Received: by mail-iy0-f178.google.com with SMTP id l21so4212420iak.9 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 10.50.46.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.46.194; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.50.46.194]) by 10.50.46.194 with SMTP id x2mr2645769igm.60.1330817906489 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:38:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.194 with SMTP id x2mr2214222igm.60.1330817906431; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.133.73 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:38:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1740b107f892bce4c0142020ea99f057@ceqli.pbworks.com> <705C7B44-4FFD-42CF-8596-0E0CAFFCA4CC@mac.com> <0B73376C-9DA7-4231-9845-BBEDE1E4B4B8@mac.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:38:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Fwd: Reuse request From: Remo Dentato To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > It doesn't? =A0How would you say {la .EIbryxam.} with the > proper=A0pronunciation=A0without capitals (or maybe accent marks or somet= hing)? Exactly, I would use an accent {la .=E8lbryxam.}. Non standard accents are so rare, after all. I understand that using uppercase is rooted to the times when 7bit ASCII was the only available character set but I argue that is no longer needed. Unless, we take another way and say that the Lojban alphabet has bot lower and uppercase letter, and that it happens that the lowercase "h" is actually the uppercase apstrophe. We should also say that we only have use for uppercase vowels (to mark the stress) but since we were at that we added all the others. In the meantime, I prefer to say that "lojban alphabet only uses (some of the) roman lowercase letters plus the comma, the apostroph and the dot". Non standard stress can be marked by any type of accent you have at hand. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.