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[69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k54si4629779yhh.5.2012.03.04.17.43.48; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD09121A9A for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:43:45 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Let's do something like this for Lojban! Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:42:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <8929c895-6264-4ae8-b9ff-1d3b3094d404@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <201203040828.29096.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201203042042.48180.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sunday, March 04, 2012 17:53:06 Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Sunday, March 04, 2012 06:03:06 Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > I'm sorry, I need an example of what you would consider having but not > > > possessing to know what you mean. > > > > mi javni do la .triktrak. i do ponse le kelci dacti .i mi tolcau pamu > > rokci .ije do tolcau pamu drata rokci .iku'i do ponse ro cino rokci > > I'm sorry, I don't understand that. First of all, "I am a rule mandating > you within system Trick Track" makes no sense. I ment "jivna". > I'm going to assume that you meant something like {mi .e do se nunkei > la.triktrak.}, and further, I'm going to assume that Trick Track is a game > like Othello, based off your mentioning of two kinds of rocks. I meant backgammon, which is so called in some languages. > ca lonu la.otelos. se nunkei ku re kelci cu punji lo blabi rokci pe lo > pamoi kelci ge'u .e lo xekri rokci pe lo remoi kelci lo kelta'o > > I can agree that it is possible for something to be associated with a > person without it being in that person's possession, but I still don't see > how you could, for example, have something in your hand, and it not be in > your possession. You're literally holding it. Whether or not it belongs to > you, it is currently in your possession. > > ganai cino rokci cu cpana lo mi xance gi mi ralte cino rokci .i ganai pimu > rokci cu srana lo remoi kelci gi mi ralte pamu rokci pe lo remoi kelci ponse lo rokci fi ma? Do you possess them or own them? Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.