Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:51234) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4N19-000490-LT; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:47:17 -0800 Received: by wera1 with SMTP id a1sf3729960wer.16 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCCttD6BBoEHBZkuw@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.156.215 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.156.215; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCCttD6BBoEHBZkuw@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.156.215 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCCttD6BBoEHBZkuw@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCCttD6BBoEHBZkuw@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.156.215]) by 10.204.156.215 with SMTP id y23mr5073335bkw.5.1330912027841 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=15RHNxwrBrkMRO1CJIOW3QbjZ3YZBCx5uLhGOG1f3CI=; b=YwbQOUq5AqCidTWbqIH8ffjSnU0Mus+4BE8S7tbW57QNs1NF+vxMNrhv+cahrYR2vX uHCW0bMV6ZT66gPwfFVN7iVzUlxBlW2qggBbQkB2yo1jjfZJcBEaSAHvDv655J9AkgkD wnKivND8FUjf6f3V90EnMU8enzxRRU5raxE1I= Received: by 10.204.156.215 with SMTP id y23mr1502959bkw.5.1330912002522; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:46:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.33.141 with SMTP id h13ls5943486bkd.7.gmail; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr1400464bkv.6.1330912000639; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr1400463bkv.6.1330912000611; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20si16015659bko.3.2012.03.04.17.46.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.47; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com with SMTP id w12so5835095lag.34 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 10.152.112.100 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.112.100; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.152.112.100]) by 10.152.112.100 with SMTP id ip4mr16875524lab.1.1330912000467 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:46:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.112.100 with SMTP id ip4mr13863301lab.1.1330912000339; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 17:46:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201203042042.48180.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <8929c895-6264-4ae8-b9ff-1d3b3094d404@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <201203040828.29096.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201203042042.48180.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:46:40 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Let's do something like this for Lojban! From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040838fd01ee0204ba751959 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d040838fd01ee0204ba751959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday, March 04, 2012 17:53:06 Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > On Sunday, March 04, 2012 06:03:06 Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > I'm sorry, I need an example of what you would consider having but > not > > > > possessing to know what you mean. > > > > > > mi javni do la .triktrak. i do ponse le kelci dacti .i mi tolcau pamu > > > rokci .ije do tolcau pamu drata rokci .iku'i do ponse ro cino rokci > > > > I'm sorry, I don't understand that. First of all, "I am a rule mandating > > you within system Trick Track" makes no sense. > > I ment "jivna". > > > I'm going to assume that you meant something like {mi .e do se nunkei > > la.triktrak.}, and further, I'm going to assume that Trick Track is a > game > > like Othello, based off your mentioning of two kinds of rocks. > > I meant backgammon, which is so called in some languages. > > > ca lonu la.otelos. se nunkei ku re kelci cu punji lo blabi rokci pe lo > > pamoi kelci ge'u .e lo xekri rokci pe lo remoi kelci lo kelta'o > > > > I can agree that it is possible for something to be associated with a > > person without it being in that person's possession, but I still don't > see > > how you could, for example, have something in your hand, and it not be in > > your possession. You're literally holding it. Whether or not it belongs > to > > you, it is currently in your possession. > > > > ganai cino rokci cu cpana lo mi xance gi mi ralte cino rokci .i ganai > pimu > > rokci cu srana lo remoi kelci gi mi ralte pamu rokci pe lo remoi kelci > > ponse lo rokci fi ma? Do you possess them or own them? > When did I say ponse? > > Pierre > -- > Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu= > wrote:
On Sunday, March 04, 2012 17:53:06 Jonathan Jones wrote:<= br> > On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 04, 2012 06:03:06 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > > I'm sorry, I need an example of what you would consider = having but not
> > > possessing to know what you mean.
> >
> > mi javni do la .triktrak. i do ponse le kelci dacti .i mi tolcau = pamu
> > rokci .ije do tolcau pamu drata rokci .iku'i do ponse ro cino= rokci
>
> I'm sorry, I don't understand that. First of all, "I am a= rule mandating
> you within system Trick Track" makes no sense.

I ment "jivna".

> I'm going to assume that you meant something like {mi .e do se nun= kei
> la.triktrak.}, and further, I'm going to assume that Trick Track i= s a game
> like Othello, based off your mentioning of two kinds of rocks.

I meant backgammon, which is so called in some languages.

> ca lonu la.otelos. se nunkei ku re kelci cu punji lo blabi rokci pe lo=
> pamoi kelci ge'u .e lo xekri rokci pe lo remoi kelci lo kelta'= o
>
> I can agree that it is possible for something to be associated with a<= br> > person without it being in that person's possession, but I still d= on't see
> how you could, for example, have something in your hand, and it not be= in
> your possession. You're literally holding it. Whether or not it be= longs to
> you, it is currently in your possession.
>
> ganai cino rokci cu cpana lo mi xance gi mi ralte cino rokci .i ganai = pimu
> rokci cu srana lo remoi kelci gi mi ralte pamu rokci pe lo remoi kelci=

ponse lo rokci fi ma? Do you possess them or own them?

When did I say ponse?

Pierre
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